Is Obama really caving

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Oerets

You might want to watch other channels then Fox and listen to other radio stations and get more views. You would be surprise at the world out there. I'm guessing now but your local paper might be lacking in depth coverage.




Never listen to the BBC world or read Reuters?

Also what happens across or borders will effect us in the U.S.A. greatly. For one what is happening now in Mexico and the effects to our border.


We can not be isolationists by burying our heads in the sand. Ignoring problems will not make then go away. Just worse when they can not be over looked anymore.




Barney

Well, you know where I get all my info , Fags like you should stop listening to NPR everyday...all day.
As far as that shithole Mexico, You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Come down here you loser and I will take you on a tour of that wonderful country .
Also, if you give a damn about America you moron, ditch that offensive avatar.
Anything else Mensa?

[finnbow]

Back to the OP. There's less here than meets the eye. EPA is scheduled to revise the ozone rules in 2013 and what Obama did was curtail an intermittent rule change between now and then to prevent industry from having to adapt twice. It seems like the right thing to have done, but both sides have a need to paint it as something other than what it is.

As for not caring what other country thinks, in this global economy (not to mention the "global war on terror"), America needs friends abroad. We are not an island, per se.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Back to the OP. There's less here than meets the eye. EPA is scheduled to revise the ozone rules in 2013 and what Obama did was curtail an intermittent rule change between now and then to prevent industry from having to adapt twice. It seems like the right thing to have done, but both sides have a need to paint it as something other than what it is.

You don't think this is a factual article? Hey, I'm not sure, but these regulation levels seem overboard and scary. http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...-And-Jobs.aspx

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Back to the OP. There's less here than meets the eye. EPA is scheduled to revise the ozone rules in 2013 and what Obama did was curtail an intermittent rule change between now and then to prevent industry from having to adapt twice. It seems like the right thing to have done, but both sides have a need to paint it as something other than what it is.

As for not caring what other country thinks, in this global economy (not to mention the "global war on terror"), America needs friends abroad. We are not an island, per se.

As Obama publicly stated that you could build a new coal plant if you wished, only he intended to make it too expensive to run, I smell a big political rat.

And as Churchill pointed out, nations do not have "friends", they have common interests.

I've never had much luck buying "friends". I've had limited luck at hiring a crew, but I've noticed that if I don't write them a paycheck, they don't come to work.

Now if we were to close down the "global war on terror", we could fire 3/4 of our crew. All the bastards are doing is putting in their time anyway.

Chas

[Dondilion]

I hope we get a repub president, repub senate and a repub house with increased tea baggers, so we can get a better feel for left and right.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

I hope we get a repub president, repub senate and a repub house with increased tea baggers, so we can get a better feel for left and right.

I'd say you're going to get your wish.

And if you do, it won't be because of anything that they've done, it will be because of what the Obama administration has done.

Chas

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

You don't think this is a factual article? Hey, I'm not sure, but these regulation levels seem overboard and scary. http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...-And-Jobs.aspx

I don't dispute, one way or the other, the relative merits of 60 vs. 75 ppb of ozone. It seems that all Obama did was to curtail rulemaking until 2013, at which time it will have to go through the full blown rulemaking process. That's a good thing IMHO (as compared to another rule change between now and then).

And as Churchill pointed out, nations do not have "friends", they have common interests.

Perhaps so (though I'd say Israel and England probably qualify as friends). However, it's tough to get folks to recognize common interests using "with us or against us" cowboy talk.

[merrylander]

Hell we have enough internal "enemies" that we don't need to go looking for more. By the time the multi-nationals and Wall Street get through screwing us there will be nowt left.

[d-ray657]

The article mentions that the air at Yellowstone Park might not qualify under the proposed standards. Perhaps it is because the ozone levels at Yellowstone have been on the rise? While I'm sure that the mention of a national park as failing to meet pollution standards is eye-catching, it is not necessarily a valid illustration of the point the author is making.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Twodogs]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

He's just doing what his masters tell him to....

Do you mean the one that owes the IRS a billion dollars and wants taxes raised on the wealthy (wealthy being 250k a year, ha)?


I agree about the other countries. Let them all kill each other and be done with it. That's all they have been doing since the beginning of time anyhow. They don't want our help anyway, and when they do (like Kuwait), we don't get so much as a kiss my ass when we save theirs. Anyone know of any documentation of us getting paid back for our efforts (even in oil maybe)? IMHO we left enough American bodies in France to last us at least a few hundred years. I say beef up our missile defense and screw them.