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Old 11-09-2017, 07:30 AM
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Read today that 2/3rd of independent voters, who now are a plurality in the US, voted against the Dotard.
Huh? Where? Maybe in Virginia, but not nationally.

https://ivn.us/2016/11/09/independen...lection-trump/

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls
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Old 11-09-2017, 07:37 AM
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Anti-Trump turnout in droves, despite the rain. Lots of female candidates. 13-term bigoted homophobe ousted by a transgender. This was a clear message to Trump, which Whell is too dense to understand.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...b0468e76541b3/
In the special elections for House seats vacated by Republicans who migrated to Trump's Cabinet, Democrats went 0-for-4. But those had nothing to do with the guy in the White House. Now we have an election in a blue state, the Dems happen to chalk up some wins in the blue state, and you and the media want to call it "a referendum on Trump".

So Tip O'Neill was wrong when he said "All politics is local". OK, whatever.
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Old 11-09-2017, 08:38 AM
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So Tip O'Neill was wrong when he said "All politics is local". OK, whatever.
On that note, in Loudoun County (considered the Virginia bellweather) Gillespie lost by 1% in his 2014 Senate bid to Warner (mirroring the final result that year), but lost by 26% to Northam. Furthermore, a huge Republican majority in the House of Delegates (67-33, I think) was completely wiped out.
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Old 11-09-2017, 09:56 AM
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On that note, in Loudoun County (considered the Virginia bellweather) Gillespie lost by 1% in his 2014 Senate bid to Warner (mirroring the final result that year), but lost by 26% to Northam. Furthermore, a huge Republican majority in the House of Delegates (67-33, I think) was completely wiped out.
So, the polls got it wrong again? Was Gillespie really "closing the gap", or were WaPo and the pollsters totally off the mark like they were for the Nov 2016 election?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.280a42837a38
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So, the polls got it wrong again? Was Gillespie really "closing the gap", or were WaPo and the pollsters totally off the mark like they were for the Nov 2016 election?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.280a42837a38
Don't know and don't care. The only poll that mattered is the one that happened Tuesday and it was indeed a shellacking of epic proportions.

A possible explanation is that turnout for people who voted for Hillary was down 10% for this less-than-midterm election, whereas turnout for those who voted for Trump was down 40%. In other words, far more people are repulsed by Trump than still approve of him and this showed up in spades in Virginia.
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Old 11-09-2017, 11:55 AM
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Don't know and don't care. The only poll that mattered is the one that happened Tuesday and it was indeed a shellacking of epic proportions.

A possible explanation is that turnout for people who voted for Hillary was down 10% for this less-than-midterm election, whereas turnout for those who voted for Trump was down 40%. In other words, far more people are repulsed by Trump than still approve of him and this showed up in spades in Virginia.
An alternative explanation was the Gillespie wasn't a good enough candidate to motivate his base to get to the polls. Trump wasn't on the ballot. Gillespie was.
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An alternative explanation was the Gillespie wasn't a good enough candidate to motivate his base to get to the polls. Trump wasn't on the ballot. Gillespie was.
Not living around here, you have no idea. The broad consensus here was that Gillespie ran a far better campaign than Northam. This is reflected in the very article you linked to. If you're trying to spin the epic ass-kicking of the Virginia election to having had nothing to do with Trump, you're sadly mistaken or just plain delusional.

Exit polls revealed an unmistakable anti-Trump backlash Tuesday, as Democrats won resounding victories in governors races in Virginia and New Jersey.

Majorities of voters in both states disapproved of the job Trump is doing as president, with significant numbers of voters in each state saying Trump was a reason for their vote. And far more of those voters said they made their choice to oppose Trump than to support him...But what is unusual about Tuesday night is the extent to which the two races were about Trump...

Half of Virginia voters said Trump was a reason for their vote — with twice as many saying they were voting to oppose Trump (34 percent) as to support him (17 percent). Northam won 97 percent of voters for whom opposing Trump was a factor.


https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...llespie-244677
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Old 11-09-2017, 01:42 PM
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Let's wait till the Republican House and the Senate roll out their tax cuts.

No deduction for state taxes?
Mortgage deduction eliminated for a second home?
Property tax deduction capped at $10K?

And all this to eliminate estate tax and reduce taxes for corporations. Guess where the corporations will take their money. See Apple for reference. And this is to create jobs and new revenue stream?

Put money in working people's pockets and they spend the money which fuels the economy.
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