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Old 10-25-2017, 12:50 PM
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Opposition research is normal in political campaigns and this oppo research started with funding by the GOP. Even Trump and his son both supported going to a room in Trump Tower to have Russians help them directly with oppo research against Hillary. Above all, any oppo research that shows that Trump and his minions are beholden to Russian interests is good oppo research. I, for one, am not particularly happy about having a Russian apparatchik as President.

That said, I'm fine with Hillary or any of her people being investigated/prosecuted for any crimes they committed, as I am with Trump and his minions. Paying for oppo research by an American firm isn't illegal though. Accepting it as a quid pro quo from the Russian government for changing American foreign policy is (as the Trumps did), however.
Of course, you're missed the CENTRAL issues with your post above. Let me help you.

Sure opposition research is "legal". However, for that opposition research to be treated as basis for far flung investigations into supposed "collusion" between the Trump campaign by Congress, the FBI, and a Special Counsel is at best farcical, and at worst its own form of collusion. Over a year of investigations of one sort or another continue, yet the "evidence" is little more than dissipating smoke (with much of that smoke created by the Swamp).

Its irrelevant to me who started paying for this and who finished paying for it. This was the product of "the Swamp": the Washington DC insiders whose livelihood depends on access to government money. These individuals may be labeled as Republicans, Democrats, etc., but their party ID is far less relevant than the community of interests that they share in keeping the status quo intact.

The third and final issue is that you, and everyone else who so deeply invested themselves in the "Russian collusion angle" and felt "robbed" by the election outcome might need to really come to grips with the following:

- The Dems ran a crap candidate and that was the primary reason for Clinton's election loss.

- If there was any election tampering, it occurred within the Democratic party nomination process.

- The Clintons, once again, are demonstrated to be absolute strangers to to concept of truth, particularly when it might interfere with access to power and money.

- WaPo and NYT have much to answer for here.
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Old 10-25-2017, 12:59 PM
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Of course, you're missed the CENTRAL issues with your post above. Let me help you.

Sure opposition research is "legal". However, for that opposition research to be treated as basis for far flung investigations into supposed "collusion" between the Trump campaign by Congress, the FBI, and a Special Counsel is at best farcical, and at worst its own form of collusion.

- WaPo and NYT have much to answer for here.
1. Benghaaaazzzzi is coming back to haunt. Deal with it.
2. Why doesn't Trump fire Mueller?
3. Why did Jeff Sessions have to recuse himself?
4. When all else fails, there is the Fake media to blame, not sad but really pathetic. Only the guilty look for excuses.
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Old 10-25-2017, 01:21 PM
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Of course, you're missed the CENTRAL issues with your post above. Let me help you.

Sure opposition research is "legal". However, for that opposition research to be treated as basis for far flung investigations into supposed "collusion" between the Trump campaign by Congress, the FBI, and a Special Counsel is at best farcical, and at worst its own form of collusion...
The fact is that Fusion GPS was run by a respected former Wall Street Journal reporter and his subcontractor, Christopher Steele, was highly respected within the intelligence community (both here and in the UK) for past collaborative work. He was known as one of the West's premier intelligence experts on Russiawith deep intelligence connections within Putin's Russia. Some of the dossier's contents coincided with what the FBI had already suspected/discovered about Trump, Manafort, etc. (which have subsequently been verified), and it would have been professional malpractice not to follow up on it (the FBI believed it was credible enough to brief Obama and Trump on).

The most important consideration is what within this dossier is true, not who funded it. We'll find out when Mueller's investigation is finished. Meanwhile, Trump is trying to convince his lemmings that any findings/charges that arise from Mueller's investigation are somehow untrue or tainted (and you're buying into his misdirection efforts just as you have faithfully done countless times before).
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Old 10-25-2017, 01:41 PM
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The fact is that Fusion GPS was run by a respected former Wall Street Journal reporter and his subcontractor, Christopher Steele, was highly respected within the intelligence community (both here and in the UK) for past collaborative work. He was known as one of the West's premier intelligence experts on Russiawith deep intelligence connections within Putin's Russia. Some of the dossier's contents coincided with what the FBI had already suspected/discovered about Trump, Manafort, etc., and it would have been professional malpractice not to follow up on it (the FBI believed it was credible enough to brief Obama and Trump on).

The most important consideration is what within this dossier is true, not who funded it.
BS! Who paid for it and why and what they did with it is central to the discussion now, particularly now the FBI's funds may be involved. Whether or not what's in it is true or not? Seriously? Here's what Grassley said, and he's right on:

"The idea that the FBI and associates of the Clinton campaign would pay Mr. Steele to investigate the Republican nominee for president in the run-up to the election raises further questions about the FBI's independence from politics, as well as the Obama administration's use of law enforcement and intelligence agencies for political ends," wrote Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa.

These are questions that now need answers.
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Old 10-25-2017, 01:52 PM
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BS! Who paid for it and why and what they did with it is central to the discussion now, particularly now the FBI's funds may be involved. Whether or not what's in it is true or not? Seriously? Here's what Grassley said, and he's right on:

"The idea that the FBI and associates of the Clinton campaign would pay Mr. Steele to investigate the Republican nominee for president in the run-up to the election raises further questions about the FBI's independence from politics, as well as the Obama administration's use of law enforcement and intelligence agencies for political ends," wrote Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa.

These are questions that now need answers.
The former British spy who authored a controversial dossier on behalf of Donald Trump’s political opponents alleging ties between Trump and Russia reached an agreement with the FBI a few weeks before the election for the bureau to pay him to continue his work, according to several people familiar with the arrangement...

Ultimately, the FBI did not pay Steele. Communications between the bureau and the former spy were interrupted as Steele’s now-famous dossier became the subject of news stories, congressional inquiries and presidential denials, according to the people familiar with the arrangement, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...what-it-means/

Whether or not he was paid by the FBI, it would have been fully appropriate for the FBI to have paid for a highly-respected intelligence asset with deep connections in Russia to keep looking. Why don't you think it's appropriate to investigate the depths to which Trump was tied up with the Russians? Just because you voted for him?

In any event, if you want a better understanding of what's behind conservatives' breathlessness in criticizing the Dems funding of the dossier, read this and you may be able to grasp how/why you're being confused and manipulated.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...uous-nonsense/
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Old 10-25-2017, 01:54 PM
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That's another BS.
The FBI was looking into Russian meddling and not helping Hillary. In fact Comey who was head of the FBI had a big hand in sinking Hillary's candidacy. So this is a bogus conspiracy.
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The real news for the GOP will be when the name, names of the Republican is released who started the research.


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They ought to give Elias and Steele a medal for exposing this treasonous administration when all is said and done.
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They ought to give Elias and Steele a medal for exposing this treasonous administration when all is said and done.
Whell seems shocked, shocked that opposition research is paid for by one's political opposition.
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:59 PM
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Whell seems shocked, shocked that opposition research is paid for by one's political opposition.
It's pointless to even engage with the idiot. He’s nothing more than a f’ing dittohead.
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