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Old 07-05-2017, 09:31 AM
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List for me anyone who you believe is "conservative" who has taken a position against "clean air". "clean water", and who has stated that no one should have access to "healthcare".

Sheesh!
Terms like entitlement reform, tax reform and deregulation are code words, you know it and try not to act so dumb. Repeal of Obamacare that the conservatives have been clamoring is based on what?
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:55 AM
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Lest ye forget it was a Republican that gave us the EPA....but you didn't really address my question.
IIRC the EPA was a Democratic legislative initiative that was passed by a veto proof Congress, but thanks for another alt fact.
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:03 AM
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IIRC the EPA was a Democratic legislative initiative that was passed by a veto proof Congress, but thanks for another alt fact.
Ayup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...tection_Agency
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:38 AM
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Seems to me, Gorsuch should recuse himself from any EPA case or EPA related case that comes before the Supreme Court.
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:30 PM
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Terms like entitlement reform, tax reform and deregulation are code words, you know it and try not to act so dumb. Repeal of Obamacare that the conservatives have been clamoring is based on what?
Doesn't answer my question.
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:37 PM
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IIRC the EPA was a Democratic legislative initiative that was passed by a veto proof Congress, but thanks for another alt fact.
You don't recall correctly, so the "alt-facts" are yours...unless of course you're suggesting the EPA is a source of alt-facts.

https://archive.epa.gov/epa/aboutepa...igins-epa.html
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You don't recall correctly, so the "alt-facts" are yours...unless of course you're suggesting the EPA is a source of alt-facts.

https://archive.epa.gov/epa/aboutepa...igins-epa.html
Once again you prove to this forum that you don't understand how gubmint actually works.

From your link -

"Forging such an institution actually represented the final step in a quick march towards national environmental consciousness. Congress recognized the potency of the issue in late 1969 by passing the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). This statute recast the government's role: formerly the conservator of wilderness, it now became the protector of earth, air, land, and water. The law declared Congressional intent to "create and maintain conditions under which man and nature can exist in productive harmony," and to "assure for all Americans safe, healthful, productive, esthetically and culturally pleasing surroundings." Henceforth, all federal agencies planning projects bearing on the environment were compelled to submit reports accounting for the likely consequences--the now famous Environmental Impact Statements (EISs).
Secondly, NEPA directed the President to assemble in his Cabinet a Council on Environmental Quality." Bolding added

Tricky Dick was just following orders from congress, Mike.
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:55 PM
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You don't recall correctly, so the "alt-facts" are yours...unless of course you're suggesting the EPA is a source of alt-facts.

https://archive.epa.gov/epa/aboutepa...igins-epa.html
Actually, the article points out that it was a Democratic initiative which the President supported with some good modifications. Nixon was a moderate Republican whose political views would be anethama to the party today, which shows the fallacy of your original point.
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:29 PM
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People in Britain see the use of a system like this on the face of a residential tower as prima face evidence of a morally-bankrupt government that does not have the public welfare even on the radar. They are right.

Can't call it American Fascism, but it's the same thing as you mean, isn't it Nailer?

(New York Times illustration)
I think so and am pretty sure Orwell would agree.
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Old 07-06-2017, 11:47 AM
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It is a conundrum--the health care that the American thinks he is entitled to is too expensive to be delivered.

Here health care professionals are reasonably paid, the equipment is very modern and treatment of patients to prevent lawsuit is required to be super cautious and almost immediate to prevent lawsuits.

Compare to Britain.
Salary of professionals, modernity of equipment, early and comprehensive care, cost and frequency of litigation.
Sure Dondi everything here is marvelous - my wife is still dead.
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