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Old 07-08-2014, 10:09 AM
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Don't worry Hillary is coming.
To help the the Mexicans take back Texas?
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Old 07-08-2014, 10:41 AM
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To help the the Mexicans take back Texas?
Yes please take it back, pretty please.
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Old 07-08-2014, 11:22 AM
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Ridiculous but dangerous rhetoric.

Obama is dumping?
Peaceful militia?
Federal storm troopers?

This stuff is totally Alice in Wonderland. But it is dangerous--whoever is putting this out is trying to promote political violence in the United States.
So how would you describe a situation where:

- there's an influx of aliens across the US Border - in larger numbers than expected or considered typical

- the aliens are not sent back, but essentially warehoused in US customs facilities or military facilities

- some aliens are "released" to "family members", with same family members or sponsors appearing several times to claim different children from the custody of U.S. authorities

- the Mayor of Murrietta claims DHS never contacted him at all regarding detaining aliens in his city, nor has any short or long term plan been provided by DHS regarding detention plans in his city.

- US government or DHS efforts to stop the flow of illegals in this country is not evident.

- there is little apparent effort for the central American countries to stop the exodus - apparently because once illegals get into the US they send money back home. Nor is there any apparent effort from US authorities to demand action of central American countries to stop the exodus.

- the pathways through Mexico for illegals are known, yet little is done to address these issues. Take this story from WaPo, with interesting pics of loads of folks riding on the top of box cars:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...647_story.html

And this snippet from the story:

With lawmakers in Washington considering a broad revision of U.S. immigration laws, the image of the illegal border-crosser is no longer a farmworker jumping the fence in Tijuana, analysts say. It is a Central American teenager riding on top of a Mexican freight train.

Each day, the trains rumble north loaded with new automobiles, washing machines, cement and the other fruits of NAFTA commerce. When they slow for curves or track switches, migrants run alongside and grab onto boxcars or jump into the open-top containers known as gondolas.

For the kidnapping gangs, cartel operatives and corrupt Mexican officials who await them, the train riders are a renewable natural resource: abundant and easy to prey upon, like salmon going up an Alaskan river.


And:

“We know how easy it is to cross,” Interior Secretary Miguel Osorio Chong said at a recent meeting with the foreign news media, estimating that 200,000 Central Americans entered Mexico illegally last year.

We have the ability to control this. We don't need new legislation to do it. The laws are already on the books. We need existing laws to be enforced and current laws not bent to fit circumstances that they were not intended to address.
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Old 07-08-2014, 11:34 AM
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Yes please take it back, pretty please.
I do not think they would be satisfied;they want at least half of the US..according to AZTLAN supporters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztlan
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Old 07-08-2014, 11:38 AM
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Old 07-08-2014, 11:38 AM
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by law children from nations other than Mexico are not deported because of the Bush legislation
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Old 07-08-2014, 12:08 PM
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Is all this just an extension/maturation of NAFTA?
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Old 07-08-2014, 12:25 PM
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So how would you describe a situation where....
NOT in any way like the wild, irresponsible, violence-inciting OP. You can't be serious is 'seeming' to defend that. Your subsequent points do NOT in any way justify the lurid 'nuclear-war' OP.

You carefully do not mention that the ALIENS you keep referring-to are unaccompanied children from non-contiguous nations. U.S. law requires that such persons, among other things, receive a hearing before an Immigration Judge before being "sent back." Absent emergency congressional action (which is needed anyway) the Immigration Court backlog will remain YEARS in duration.

Now perhaps it would have been a courtesy to brief the Mayor of Murrietta, but you speak as if some trespass or damage to the city of Murrietta is alleged. The last I heard anyone can live in any town in the U.S., without getting permission from the mayor first.

You go on at length about goings-on in Mexico. Are you aware that President Obama is not President of Mexico?

At the end, you claim:

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We have the ability to control this. We don't need new legislation to do it. The laws are already on the books. We need existing laws to be enforced and current laws not bent to fit circumstances that they were not intended to address.
Exactly how do you think we should control this? Just use physical violence to chase children away, or transport them over a border and dump them with no orderly handover to responsible parties?

Are you OK with just shooting them?

And why all the fuss? These are kids, not some plague of deadly monsters. Appropriate some money and care for them in a sensible way. Humanity demands this.
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Old 07-08-2014, 01:57 PM
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You carefully do not mention that the ALIENS you keep referring-to are unaccompanied children from non-contiguous nations. U.S. law requires that such persons, among other things, receive a hearing before an Immigration Judge before being "sent back." Absent emergency congressional action (which is needed anyway) the Immigration Court backlog will remain YEARS in duration.
I carefully didn't mention that because they're not all "unaccompanied children". Did you see the WaPo article?

Regarding the law that requires these folks get a hearing: Here's what DiFi had to say about that:

Senator Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who helped write the measure, said the White House does not need new power to act. “That law already provides the administration with flexibility to accelerate the judicial process in times of crisis,” she said. “The administration should use that flexibility to speed up the system while still treating these children humanely, with compassion and respect.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/us...king.html?_r=0

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Now perhaps it would have been a courtesy to brief the Mayor of Murrietta, but you speak as if some trespass or damage to the city of Murrietta is alleged. The last I heard anyone can live in any town in the U.S., without getting permission from the mayor first.
I guess the big difference is that these folks aren't living there. They're being warehoused there, until they get their hearing. The citizens have a right to know what's going on inside their city, what security precautions are being taken, how long this will be going on, how many will be domiciled there, etc.

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You go on at length about goings-on in Mexico. Are you aware that President Obama is not President of Mexico?
Snark much? Apparently Obama in this case isn't doing much as President of the US either.
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Old 07-08-2014, 03:04 PM
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From the link you posted above it appears they have been here a lot longer than we have.

So I'd say that makes us the outsiders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FTLfrzguHk
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