Takin' on water..

[flacaltenn]

So now I can't rely on FEMA, INS, CDC, OSG, HHS and HomeLand Security to keep me safe from flu? Not enough MONEY between all those agencies?

You mean I've got to hire a private flu squad? Gee, I'm paying twice for a lot of stuff.
Gonna have to start trimming a little here and there. Starting in D.C.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by JJIII

The victims are getting as thick as fleas around here.

As thick as those victims who claim to be victimized by "Welfare Queens", all things Obama, The Democratic Party, unions, "Enviro-Nazis", "Femi-Nazis" and the whole laundry list of things that just make it "impossible" for the poor babies to succeed?

Dave

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by flacaltenn

So now I can't rely on FEMA, INS, CDC, OSG, HHS and HomeLand Security to keep me safe from flu? Not enough MONEY between all those agencies?

You mean I've got to hire a private flu squad? Gee, I'm paying twice for a lot of stuff.
Gonna have to start trimming a little here and there. Starting in D.C.

The CDC is the agency responsible for keeping us safe from a deadly flu outbreak but they would not have if the H1N1 was deadly. Why? Too much money at stake so they were not allowed to secure transmission of the virus.

I don't have any clue why you list so many agencies in your response nor what your response means besides the fact that you seem to not understand what a deadly flu that is ultra contagious as was H1N1 can do.

This is strange coming from someone who is scared shitless without his gun.

Seems your thinking/fear is a bit primal and leaves you exposed so many other ways. Go figure.

[piece-itpete]

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[JonL]

Originally Posted by whell

You keep referring to the turn of the century. Are you stuck there? Do you honestly believe that the socio-economic conditions that existed in this country back then could be recreated in this country today? Including the circumstances that supported the propagation of flu epidemics? It's quite a different world today, even setting aside the activist government that evolved over the last 100 years.

First the general: Do you honestly believe that human nature has changed over the last 100 or even 1000 years? Do you honestly believe that the horrors man has inflicted upon his own kind throughout history "cannot" happen anymore for some magical reason? I remember being shocked to see the genocide that unfolded in Serbia recently. I remember seeing people on TV, dressed in modern Western clothes, in modern middle class surroundings... and it was so incongruous that people who didn't look or live much differently from myself could be the victims AND perpetrators of such horrors. It opened my eyes. It made me realize how important a broad, inclusive community and society is, and how dangerous people can become when their xenophobic tendencies are exploited.

Now the specific: Could there be a return to the terrible exploitation of workers and children right here in this country? Absolutely. Leave capitalism to it's unfettered devices and it'll happen in no time at all.

As for infectious disease epidemics, conditions today are probably more favorable for an epidemic than they were in 1918. There wasn't air travel in 1918 to spread germs around the country and the world nearly instantaneously. I doubt there was as much dense mass transit in the cities. I doubt that very many women were in the workplace where they can be exposed more easily.

[flacaltenn]

Originally Posted by noonereal

The CDC is the agency responsible for keeping us safe from a deadly flu outbreak but they would not have if the H1N1 was deadly. Why? Too much money at stake so they were not allowed to secure transmission of the virus.

I don't have any clue why you list so many agencies in your response nor what your response means besides the fact that you seem to not understand what a deadly flu that is ultra contagious as was H1N1 can do.

This is strange coming from someone who is scared shitless without his gun.

Seems your thinking/fear is a bit primal and leaves you exposed so many other ways. Go figure.

NoOneReal:

Frankly pal, sometimes I wonder if you're playing with a helmet.. Look, I try to play fair. I try to be nice, but you just pushed a couple buttons here.. I'm telling you -- the niceness could just disappear...

Do you know who the OSG is? The freaking Surgeon General? Do we pay him to respond to health issues?

Who would actually CLOSE the borders (like you proposed to do)? Wouldn't that be Homeland Security and ICE (or INS)?

Tell me that FEMA would not be called to respond to a HUGE mortal disease outbreak?

And who is HHS NoOne.. What do they do?

I stand by the statement.

So now I can't rely on FEMA, INS, CDC, OSG, HHS and HomeLand Security to keep me safe from flu? Not enough MONEY between all those agencies?

And I'm not gonna go off on you here. But I sure wish you'd contribute more than snipes and feelings..

[flacaltenn]

Dave:

I would so love to get victimized by a Femi-Nazi right now...

[whell]

Originally Posted by JonL

First the general: Do you honestly believe that human nature has changed over the last 100 or even 1000 years? Do you honestly believe that the horrors man has inflicted upon his own kind throughout history "cannot" happen anymore for some magical reason? I remember being shocked to see the genocide that unfolded in Serbia recently. I remember seeing people on TV, dressed in modern Western clothes, in modern middle class surroundings... and it was so incongruous that people who didn't look or live much differently from myself could be the victims AND perpetrators of such horrors. It opened my eyes. It made me realize how important a broad, inclusive community and society is, and how dangerous people can become when their xenophobic tendencies are exploited.

Now the specific: Could there be a return to the terrible exploitation of workers and children right here in this country? Absolutely. Leave capitalism to it's unfettered devices and it'll happen in no time at all.

Capitalism in this country cannot be left to its "unfettered devices", or anything even remotely close to it, without someone on the left getting riled. Hell, we can't even support our own energy needs, the life blood of capitalism - fettered or unfettered - without some lefty group getting their nickers in a knot.

[JonL]

Originally Posted by whell

Capitalism in this country cannot be left to its "unfettered devices", or anything even remotely close to it, without someone on the left getting riled. Hell, we can't even support our own energy needs, the life blood of capitalism - fettered or unfettered - without some lefty group getting their nickers in a knot.

You're welcome. I guess "my kind" saved you from working in the strip mines without an expensive respirator when you were 8.

Seriously, do you think it's a good idea to simply allow people to chase profits with no regard for things that happen outside of their immediate financial view? It's absurd on the face of it. I don't even need to give you examples of the harm that would come.

[flacaltenn]

JonL:

Who do want responsible for elevator disasters? the MANUFACTURER or the city inspector? Don't give me shit about everything going to hell if there isn't one GOVT inspector for every private enterprise. You KNOW there are consequences to business FAR BEYOND the accountability we can EEK from the regulators when things go shitty.

Those guys get a bigger budget and promotions when people die. The company gets sued, devalued and put out of business.