Bernie Caves

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by MrPots

Indeed. The democratic party certainly is no longer progressive.

The country as it is has already moved too far right if it thinks Hillary is progressive or in any way liberal.

Truer words were never spoken.

We now have two Republicans running on the major party tickets.

+1

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Bernie should resign from the Senate and lead a progressive movement. We need to ensure that Hillary is a one term president. If not she will move the country too far to the right on the pretext of reaching across the aisle.

Believe me, I understand your feelings, Rajoo, but that's the wrong focus and a waste of energy. What we need to do is build the movement and keep pushing for the changes we want. We need to work to to elect progressives to Congress in 2018 and 2020 so that President Warren has something to work with.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Believe me, I understand your feelings, Rajoo, but that's the wrong focus and a waste of energy. What we need to do is build the movement and keep pushing for the changes we want. We need to work to to elect progressives to Congress in 2018 and 2020 so that President Warren has something to work with.

John, we need to get a progressive movement going and the party sorely lacks leaders since most if not all have become Republicans. Bernie and Warren could lead the movement and once this is afoot, then electing progressives to the House and Senate will happen.

And in doing so Hillary will be limited to one term. Considering her unpopularity now, imagine where this would be in two to three years. Single digits or low teens I predict.

[Boreas]

And in doing so Hillary will be limited to one term. Considering her unpopularity now, imagine where this would be in two to three years. Single digits or low teens I predict.

That's my point. Focus on the positive of building a movement and problems like Hillary will disappear as a result. Focusing on getting rid of Hillary brings too much negative energy to bear and as a result could backfire.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Boreas

And in doing so Hillary will be limited to one term. Considering her unpopularity now, imagine where this would be in two to three years. Single digits or low teens I predict.

That's my point. Focus on the positive of building a movement and problems like Hillary will disappear as a result. Focusing on getting rid of Hillary brings too much negative energy to bear and as a result could backfire.[/QUOTE]

I must not have made myself clear. My focus was not on Hillary, anything but. Progressive movement is where my interest and focus is and will be. I am simply going to ignore Hillary's very existence for the immediate future.

[catswiththum]

Sanders is no different than any other politician - in some ways worse.

He persuaded a lot of well meaning, gullible supporters his campaign was about truth and not giving in to corporate corruption - he railed against Hillary for her ties to everything he was campaigning against.

It does not surprise me as it is politics as usual that he now will get on the Hillary bandwagon - the enemy of my enemy, etc. But the message to his supporters is truth can not win, it is better to accept in Hillary everything he promised he would fight to defeat Trump.

That's how politics works and what his supporters were hoping they had found in him was someone who would keep up the fight against it.

But he is just another politician cut from the same cloth - nothing bright or shiny, new or different about him or his methods.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

Sanders is no different than any other politician - in some ways worse.

He persuaded a lot of well meaning, gullible supporters his campaign was about truth and not giving in to corporate corruption - he railed against Hillary for her ties to everything he was campaigning against.
.

I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion as I haven't seen this in Sanders. And Hillary's ties to big business are well known.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by MrPots

I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion as I haven't seen this in Sanders. And Hillary's ties to big business are well known.

It's just the polydactyl pussy trying to pass cynicism off as wisdom again.

[catswiththum]

Originally Posted by MrPots

I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion as I haven't seen this in Sanders. And Hillary's ties to big business are well known.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b00f97fba7e023

[catswiththum]

Will Sanders' campaign turn over email lists to Clinton?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...linton/486284/