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Old 10-20-2014, 06:05 PM
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My little burg made the New Yorker magazine

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20.../contract-city
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Old 10-21-2014, 08:01 AM
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Employees of municipalities have to face the reality...the money just is not there.

It is difficult to get a parley. My condolence to Mr. Pham's family and love ones.
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Old 10-21-2014, 08:23 AM
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The citizens need to realize city services have a cost. Cutting property taxes and giving tax breaks to companies to locate or stay have consequences.

The roads, schools Police to name a few services provided are suffering from the going cheap route. Funny how our Parents when they were running things seemed to understand this.




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Old 10-21-2014, 09:17 AM
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The citizens need to realize city services have a cost. Cutting property taxes and giving tax breaks to companies to locate or stay have consequences.

The roads, schools Police to name a few services provided are suffering from the going cheap route. Funny how our Parents when they were running things seemed to understand this.




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The size of the cost is the big question.
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Old 10-21-2014, 11:21 AM
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The citizens need to realize city services have a cost. Cutting property taxes and giving tax breaks to companies to locate or stay have consequences.

The roads, schools Police to name a few services provided are suffering from the going cheap route. Funny how our Parents when they were running things seemed to understand this.




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Measure V is back after losing 60% to 40% two years ago. Time to throw these Tea bums out this time.

http://ballotpedia.org/City_of_Costa...(November_2014)
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Old 10-21-2014, 12:08 PM
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Measure V is back after losing 60% to 40% two years ago. Time to throw these Tea bums out this time.

http://ballotpedia.org/City_of_Costa...(November_2014)
Bob the link does not work.
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Old 10-21-2014, 04:26 PM
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Bob the link does not work.
Beats me why that site won't link directly. If you hit the search for this title on that linked page it will take you to it.
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Old 10-24-2014, 09:56 AM
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Private sector service providers make their profit margin by squeezing. They squeeze the employees with lowered benefits, smaller workforces, deferring all maintenance costs as much as possible, and right sizing as quickly as possible.

They squeeze by freezing raises, and dropping sick days, and eliminating much if not all vacation time and pensions. They squeeze by reducing services, or eliminating them. They squeeze by laying off senior employees preparing for retirement, and hiring young blood that makes 40% or 50% of the over 50 year olds make.

They squeeze by not following regulations, and safety requirements, and by not monitoring worksites for standard regulatory compliance.

I have been in public and private sector heavy industry for the past four decades, both union and nonunion, in shipyards, construction, demolition, remediation, and power generation. It gets ugly when management and owners start to use workers as the toothpaste and grease that will solve problems and create profits, rather than a partner that works hand in hand to get everyone to a good place.

It is telling that in Costa Mesa, not a single manager will be laid off, or see a significant salary restructuring.
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Old 10-24-2014, 11:27 AM
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Private sector service providers make their profit margin by squeezing. They squeeze the employees with lowered benefits, smaller workforces, deferring all maintenance costs as much as possible, and right sizing as quickly as possible.

They squeeze by freezing raises, and dropping sick days, and eliminating much if not all vacation time and pensions. They squeeze by reducing services, or eliminating them. They squeeze by laying off senior employees preparing for retirement, and hiring young blood that makes 40% or 50% of the over 50 year olds make.

They squeeze by not following regulations, and safety requirements, and by not monitoring worksites for standard regulatory compliance.

I have been in public and private sector heavy industry for the past four decades, both union and nonunion, in shipyards, construction, demolition, remediation, and power generation. It gets ugly when management and owners start to use workers as the toothpaste and grease that will solve problems and create profits, rather than a partner that works hand in hand to get everyone to a good place.

It is telling that in Costa Mesa, not a single manager will be laid off, or see a significant salary restructuring.
Exactly Dave.

Sure is funny how this arch-'bagger Mayor Rig-heimer and his cronies are foisting yet another vote on the citizens of Costa 'Misery' for this misguided attempt to outsource most city services, two short years after losing by 60%.

Of course it's during the mid term elections when those nasty libruls and democratz are sitting at home sipping their Chardonnay...
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Old 10-21-2014, 09:24 AM
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A little dirty secret of privatizing.... http://www.inthepublicinterest.org/node/457


The same with public funding of sports arenas. A myth of return of investment.



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