Political Forums  

Go Back   Political Forums > Politicalchat.org discussion boards > Politics and the Environment

We appreciate your help

in keeping this site going.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 03-24-2016, 08:13 AM
VanishingPoi VanishingPoi is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Lake Forest, CA
Posts: 460
Understanding Marxism and So************************m with Richard Wolff

I think everyone knows by now that I am a Marxist. Richard Wolff has a great way of talking about Marxism. I like to share just a little of it. I have been studying it for several years now and in no way does this explain it in total.

"To understand why Marx's popularity has stood the test of time, Abby Martin interviews renowned Marxist economist Richard Wolff".

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=15950
__________________
"Man is born to be free - and everywhere in chains!" -Rousseau
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-24-2016, 09:35 AM
nailer's Avatar
nailer nailer is offline
Rational Anarchist
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 7,315
Quote:
Originally Posted by VanishingPoi View Post
I think everyone knows by now that I am a Marxist. Richard Wolff has a great way of talking about Marxism. I like to share just a little of it. I have been studying it for several years now and in no way does this explain it in total.

"To understand why Marx's popularity has stood the test of time, Abby Martin interviews renowned Marxist economist Richard Wolff".

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=15950
Isn't Karl the guy who tried to sell labor (not the scarce skilled variety) being as important as scarce resources? What he was describing applied to then (western Europe and US), not now. His labor supply is now essentially global and well in surplus of demand. Adam Smith is where it's at.
__________________
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-24-2016, 09:59 AM
Dondilion's Avatar
Dondilion Dondilion is offline
Jigsawed
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 10,559
Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer View Post
Isn't Karl the guy who tried to sell labor (not the scarce skilled variety) being as important as scarce resources? What he was describing applied to then (western Europe and US), not now. His labor supply is now essentially global and well in surplus of demand. Adam Smith is where it's at.
The Northern Europeans have bought a good chunk of Karl's argument and made adjustments.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-24-2016, 10:17 AM
nailer's Avatar
nailer nailer is offline
Rational Anarchist
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 7,315
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dondilion View Post
The Northern Europeans have bought a good chunk of Karl's argument and made adjustments.
Which makes perfect sense. His theories applied best there. At the time of the Great Depression organized labor was a force to be reckoned with in Northern Europe.
__________________
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-24-2016, 10:31 AM
Boreas's Avatar
Boreas Boreas is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Sonoma County, CA
Posts: 20,496
Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer View Post
Which makes perfect sense. His theories applied best there. At the time of the Great Depression organized labor was a force to be reckoned with in Northern Europe.
The social democracies of Northern Europe came into their own during the post-WWII era of prosperity, not during the Great Depression.
__________________
Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-24-2016, 10:47 AM
nailer's Avatar
nailer nailer is offline
Rational Anarchist
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 7,315
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
The social democracies of Northern Europe came into their own during the post-WWII era of prosperity, not during the Great Depression.
So?
__________________
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-24-2016, 10:51 AM
Boreas's Avatar
Boreas Boreas is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Sonoma County, CA
Posts: 20,496
Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer View Post
So?
So, the context you describe and the motivations you imply for the development of European social democracies is incorrect. They developed during a time of prosperity and stability, not crisis and upheaval.
__________________
Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-24-2016, 11:00 AM
nailer's Avatar
nailer nailer is offline
Rational Anarchist
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 7,315
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
So, the context you describe and the motivations you imply for the development of European social democracies is incorrect. They developed during a time of prosperity and stability, not crisis and upheaval.
What happened in the 30's greatly impacted the post war. Many concessions were made to labor, especially in Scandinavia.
__________________
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-24-2016, 11:38 AM
Boreas's Avatar
Boreas Boreas is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Sonoma County, CA
Posts: 20,496
Quote:
Originally Posted by nailer View Post
What happened in the 30's greatly impacted the post war. Many concessions were made to labor, especially in Scandinavia.
What concessions were made?

Was it only organized labor agitating for these concessions?

What was it about the Great Depression which prompted the demand for these concessions?

Were these concessions merely congruent with the interest of organized labor or did they impact society as a whole?

Discuss.
__________________
Smoke me a kipper. I'll be back for breakfast.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-24-2016, 11:48 AM
whell's Avatar
whell whell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Metro Detroit
Posts: 13,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by VanishingPoi View Post
I think everyone knows by now that I am a Marxist. Richard Wolff has a great way of talking about Marxism. I like to share just a little of it. I have been studying it for several years now and in no way does this explain it in total.

"To understand why Marx's popularity has stood the test of time, Abby Martin interviews renowned Marxist economist Richard Wolff".

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?...&jumival=15950
Its not Marx's popularity that has stood the test of time. Its Marx's infamy which as stood the test of time.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:13 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.