The Rise and Fall of Obamacare

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

Most of the calculators I have used give me a around a 500 dollar premium if you are single, 54 years old and make around 100,000k a year for my Southern CA zipcode. The cutoff for subsidies are 47k for single and 97k for a family of four.


The idea that the ACA hurts the middle class is probably more a perception than reality. I would imagine a lot of anger at the ACA is people upset that others are getting subsides and that more wealthier people have to pay more for qualified plans.
Plus if the middle class was really being hurt by the ACA I doubt Hillary would have been nominated nor Trump would have won.

One of the lessons of the Great Depression is that progressive change does not really occur until it is the middle class being hurt. So my thought is that if the ACA was so awful then Americans would not be giving Obama such high approval ratings. Sanders would most likely be President if the ACA was damaging the middle class so much and single payer would be heading toward his desk next month. He would have gotten all the super delegates during the primaries and easily defeated the terrible Hillary.

Yeah California is hard. I can see not paying for the ACA if I was single with no assets like a home. But if you own a home with equity and don't have health insurance you will lose everything if you have to the emergency room or become really sick.


I would rather charge $10,000 non-deductible on a credit card than face $100,000 from a collection agency. That is like an instant mortgage.

Thank you for providing the perspective of an out of touch elitist with a six figure income and free Cadillac care from the government.

[VanishingPoi]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

These high deductable ($5,000-$6,000 or more per year) are worthless to the people that most need health insurance. I mean they are absolute shit.

You might as well build a "Game of Thrones" wall between them and medical care.

They can't afford to use them.



If you have a hard time coming up with $400 bucks, how in the FUCK are you going to front Five or Six Grand?

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-shame/476415/

The answer is, you don't. You get sick, or notice a suspicious lump, and you put off going to the Doctor because you can't afford it. Same as you did when you had no insurance. Because the truth is, if you have some shitty High Deductable Obummercare Bronze Plan, you still have no insurance.

You got that right.

[icenine]

https://www.arcamax.com/politics/fro...bank/s-1907332


Oh the voters didn't take the Baron Von Trump literally.

[icenine]

Quoted from the above article by Dana Milbanks cited by the very smart Dr Zaius:




“I don’t know what we’ll do if it does go away,” Mills said. “I guess I thought that, you know, [Trump] would not do this. That they would not do this, would not take the insurance away. Knowing that it’s affecting so many people’s lives. I mean, what are you to do then if you cannot ... purchase, cannot pay for the insurance?”

Her husband needs a liver transplant and is covered by the ACA. Yet she voted for Trump.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

Quoted from the above article by Dana Milbanks cited by the very smart Dr Zaius:




“I don’t know what we’ll do if it does go away,” Mills said. “I guess I thought that, you know, [Trump] would not do this. That they would not do this, would not take the insurance away. Knowing that it’s affecting so many people’s lives. I mean, what are you to do then if you cannot ... purchase, cannot pay for the insurance?”

Her husband needs a liver transplant and is covered by the ACA. Yet she voted for Trump.

I guess giving us ' latte drinking coastal elites' the finger was more important than her husband getting a new liver.

[donquixote99]

People used to say, in Czarist Russia, as the Czar's secret police dragged off a family member, "If only the Czar knew about this, he'd put a stop to it."

They'll say it about Trump. And be just as wrong. But it's not just human beings in other countries who are programmed to love their Dear Leader....

[icenine]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0d9a5945716c2


The big point this whole article is missing is that the moron in question has the luxury to wait overnight since his Congressional insurance will pay for the fixation of the fracture. He is mean for waiting a day since his kid is in pain. He is an even bigger asshole for wanting to take away other people's insurance but keeping his own public option health care of course.

Is this where everyone gets mad and demands single payer? No. People voted for this guy.

[MrPots]

Well he splinted the arm, why even take him to the emergency room after that? Just let it heal at home just like the good old days.

Even going to the hospital to have a baby is silly. Babies in the good old days were birthed at home for centuries.

And that nasty gash, get out the sewing kit and sew it up yourself.

"rationing" health care isn't going to bring down the cost of health care. Mandating insurance isn't going to bring down the cost of health care. Only condemning the greed of the industry and using the power of law to put limits on what can be charged by doctors and pharmaceuticals will bring down the cost of health care.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by MrPots

Well he splinted the arm, why even take him to the emergency room after that? Just let it heal at home just like the good old days.

Even going to the hospital to have a baby is silly. Babies in the good old days were birthed at home for centuries.

And that nasty gash, get out the sewing kit and sew it up yourself.

"rationing" health care isn't going to bring down the cost of health care. Mandating insurance isn't going to bring down the cost of health care. Only condemning the greed of the industry and using the power of law to put limits on what can be charged by doctors and pharmaceuticals will bring down the cost of health care.

The only place I have seen people walking around with mangled arms and legs deformed for the rest of their lives is in places like the Philippines and Indonesia. We rebroke an elbow off the coast of Zamboanga City and reset it,but the fracture was only two weeks old. Waiting two or twenty years is a different story altogether.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

People used to say, in Czarist Russia, as the Czar's secret police dragged off a family member, "If only the Czar knew about this, he'd put a stop to it."

They'll say it about Trump. And be just as wrong. But it's not just human beings in other countries who are programmed to love their Dear Leader....

Russians are known for their sardonic sense of humor.