Poor Ben.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

No where do I read that Carson implies that that their fate was self inflicted.

In this you are virtually alone. The implications of his statement are perfectly clear.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ben-carso...-jewish-groups

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-on-holocaust/

So, now he's feuding with the ADL, red meat for his supporters.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Boreas

In this you are virtually alone. The implications of his statement are perfectly clear.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/ben-carso...-jewish-groups

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-on-holocaust/

So, now he's feuding with the ADL, red meat for his supporters.

The two links do not show where Carson is being malicious. The two links indicate people foaming at the mouth, twisting and blowing up what Carson said.

Carson: If the German population (not Jews in particular) was not subjected to gun control then Hitler would have found it harder to carry out his evil deeds.

I do not agree with Carson's assertion. However his critics have multiplied and embellished and twisted his statement.

I guess anything which touches the holocaust is fraught with noise.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The two links do not show where Carson is being malicious.

Why then do the ADL find Carson's remarks offensive?

And do you find it offensive that Carson dismisses their concerns as mere "foolishness"?

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The two links do not show where Carson is being malicious. The two links indicate people foaming at the mouth, twisting and blowing up what Carson said.

Carson: If the German population (not Jews in particular) was not subjected to gun control then Hitler would have found it harder to carry out his evil deeds.

I do not agree with Carson's assertion. However his critics have multiplied and embellished and twisted his statement.

I guess anything which touches the holocaust is fraught with noise.

QFT. Both sides are guilty of this all too often.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The two links do not show where Carson is being malicious.

Perhaps. And if so, that would be the scariest thing about Carson. He doesn't realize when he's being malicious. Or...he doesn't care, nor do his supporters or his apologists.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

No where do I read that Carson implies that that their fate was self inflicted.

Carson made a general statement that gun control made the holocaust easier.
His argument, albeit not deep, was not malicious nor impugn the Jews.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/15/op...holocaust.html

If there were no gun controls, holocaust could have been prevented? That is insane.

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

If there were no gun controls, holocaust could have been prevented? That is insane.

Is that what he said?

“A More Perfect Union”

"German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler’s regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior … Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance."

Blitzer interview, Carson added

“The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed.”

And he is right!

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Is that what he said?

“A More Perfect Union”

"German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler’s regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior … Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance."

Blitzer interview, Carson added

“The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed.”

And he is right!

All one has to do is to get the army on their side and rest is history. Guns in the hands of individuals is going to stop an army with tanks, armored vehicles and missiles? Just about every dictator rises to power by an army backed coup, and of course it is easier if you already head the army.

One of the dumbest arguments for gun ownership, even a six year old will have trouble with it.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Is that what he said?

“A More Perfect Union”

"German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler’s regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior … Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance."

Blitzer interview, Carson added

“The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed.”

And he is right!

Ridiculous. Individual victims and families, even if armed, would be basically helpless against the mobs and heavily-armed squads the Nazis deployed. Only when victims are able to gather in armed groups, such as partisan bands in non-German territory in the east, or when the Nazis had concentrated them in a defensible urban district (Warsaw Ghetto) was effective resistance possible. And of course, this resistance happened despite the most stringent gun control imaginable--possession of arms was punished by summary execution.

Since resistance happened despite total gun control, it would appear that its presence or absence wasn't the controlling factor. It seems to me the controlling factor was the ability of a group determined on resistance to secure a base of operations. Conditions allowing this never arose in Germany itself.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JBS...

“The likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed.”

And he is right!

The only reason you people spew this moronic nonsense is because it supports your narcissistic defense of this country's gun culture. A Glock under every pillow will prevent a despotic government from taking away all our rights. Repugnant is as repugnant does.