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10-22-2014, 08:15 PM
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You miss the point: even IF Wilson shot at Brown as he fled, it's 100% codified as a GOOD SHOOT.
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You miss the point, on purpose I strongly suspect.
Here it is, in a few simple words: if that's the law, I say the law is bad.
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10-22-2014, 08:37 PM
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You miss the point, on purpose I strongly suspect.
Here it is, in a few simple words: if that's the law, I say the law is bad.
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Then attack the law, not those who accurately enforce it.
Prior to 1985, you just needed a felony in progress...
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10-22-2014, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeke
Thinking as Officer Wilson, I want to know how a robbery suspect significantly larger than me, who has just attacked me and is still standing (charging?) within a car length isn't a threat to me or the public at large?
If you have to fire, you fire until the threat is neutralized.
It's the same reason Rodney King kept getting beat. He was immense and wouldn't stay down. Training? Continue until compliance.
Simple. Justified. GOOD SHOOT.
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No it isn't a "good shoot."
You are so ingrained in and brainwashed by your fucked up cop culture that you are unable to tell right from wrong when it involves use of force by the police.
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10-22-2014, 09:12 PM
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Entitlement.
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The only sense of entitlement I'm seeing is the sense of entitlement on the part of cops to use excessive force.
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10-22-2014, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by icenine
You have to hand it to the St. Louis prosecutor's leak friendly Grand Jury. Now there are black witnesses who back Wilson's story...but are too afraid to come out and say so because of fear.
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I would also say that all Grand Juries are user friendly to the prosecutor and prosecution. And prosecutors are pro LE. So this is a closed loop system.
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10-22-2014, 10:30 PM
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Then attack the law, not those who accurately enforce it.
Prior to 1985, you just needed a felony in progress...
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The law as you describe it grants wide, virtually limitless discretion to the officer. He may act as he feels necessary, based on what he believes, and he can believe what he may. But with such an unbounded field, with such freedom to act or not act, comes moral responsibility. That is, the law says neither that he must kill, nor that he must not. The choice is his.
Under such conditions, we surely must say the responsibility for the choice is his. Legally, he is virtually immune, but morally, he is utterly exposed. There is no shield for him.
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10-22-2014, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad
No it isn't a "good shoot."
You are so ingrained in and brainwashed by your fucked up cop culture that you are unable to tell right from wrong when it involves use of force by the police.
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Incorrect. Wilson was RIGHT, as being born out.
You thinking is so constipated it's a wonder you can breathe.
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The law as you describe it grants wide, virtually limitless discretion to the officer. He may act as he feels necessary, based on what he believes, and he can believe what he may. But with such an unbounded field, with such freedom to act or not act, comes moral responsibility. That is, the law says neither that he must kill, nor that he must not. The choice is his.
Under such conditions, we surely must say the responsibility for the choice is his. Legally, he is virtually immune, but morally, he is utterly exposed. There is no shield for him.
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Why would there need to be a shield?
Wilson did what was morally right, protect and serve.
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10-23-2014, 07:16 AM
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10-23-2014, 08:55 AM
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If you have to fire, you fire until the threat is neutralized.
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Originally Posted by Zeke
Precisely. Which is why you keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.
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It can be no other way, unless one sees police as expendable.
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Zeke, if the shooting by Wilson was "GOLD" as you have justified it, why were there riots in Ferguson?
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Just imagine the responses in my head I heard on NPR yesterday that suddenly home sales are spiking there - the people who actually live there don't want to deal with the rioters - go figure.
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10-23-2014, 09:35 AM
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Nice article. It sure proves the fix is in to me.
And any suggestion that Dr. Judith Melnick is in the tank for anybody is among the most inane shit I've ever heard. The woman is not going to risk her career, her business, her reputation, or anything else by lying for anybody. Not the Ferguson PD, not Al Sharpton, not Darren Wilson, not Michael Brown's family. Nobody.
Go ahead TJ, make a fool of yourself. Tell us all how the fix is in with Judith Melnick.
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