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Old 10-13-2017, 10:42 AM
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Old 10-13-2017, 10:58 AM
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I think most normal people think that was a good thing during the 1930s and 1940s. Churchill's chief accomplishment was warning everyone in Europe in the 1930s that Germany was rearming and Hitler was evil. That is why he was selected to be premier on a nationalist ticket (Labor and Tory coalition)
after the war started.

You should probably read William Manchester's three-volume biography (he was ill and another author finished the last volume) of Churchill. The Last Lion is the general title.
Churchill's life long resistance to India's quest for freedom from the British crown is well known. His resistance was also colored with racism.

His warnings about Hitler/Germany were probably driven by his efforts to make up for his signal failure in WW1.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:06 AM
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Churchill was anti Hitler. He was definitely not anti German. Many British aristocrats were of German descent.
Anti German hegemony. This attitude was derived from his WW1 experience.
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Old 10-13-2017, 11:53 AM
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One man steadying Russia is not enough. He has a big problem with the lack of institutions.

Such rulers like Putin have a tendency to stay in power too long and at the same time not creating institutional mechanism to establish standards for governance.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:24 PM
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That's called hypocrisy.
It's called being a British aristocrat and a product of his time. We're all hypocrites after all. Churchill loved the British Empire and in 1947 that empire, which was already greatly weakened by the end of WWI, ceased to exist.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:28 PM
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One man steadying Russia is not enough. He has a big problem with the lack of institutions.

Such rulers like Putin have a tendency to stay in power too long and at the same time not creating institutional mechanism to establish standards for governance.
Spoken like a Putin, and other Russian tyrant, apologist.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:45 PM
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Anti German hegemony. This attitude was derived from his WW1 experience.
He was certainly against Nazi hegemony, especially with regard to Great Britain.

His being feverently against Hitler had nothing to do with Gallipoli. He was against fascism and communism because they were a clear and present threat to his beloved Western capitalist liberal democracy. In fact, the Gallipoli strategy was sound until the Admiralty's old English admirals got cold feet and didn't allow the navy to make another assault on the Dardanelles. If they had gone ahead with the planned assault the Black Sea would have become another British lake and Constantinople would have fallen. This in turn would have let the British provide significant logistic support to the Russians, significantly changing the strategic and tactical situation on the Eastern Front. In other words, Imperial Germany would be up Shit Creek without a paddle.
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Old 10-13-2017, 01:55 PM
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I think most normal people think that was a good thing during the 1930s and 1940s. Churchill's chief accomplishment was warning everyone in Europe in the 1930s that Germany was rearming and Hitler was evil. That is why he was selected to be premier on a nationalist ticket (Labor and Tory coalition)
after the war started.

You should probably read William Manchester's three-volume biography (he was ill and another author finished the last volume) of Churchill. The Last Lion is the general title.
Churchill's warnings weren't heeded by anyone who counted, including the majority of the British and French people who had no interest in another war with Germany. If he had been successful, Hitler would've been finished well before September 1939.

What did you think of Manchester's biography?
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