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10-13-2017, 07:22 AM
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A History of Civilizations by Fernand Braudel
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10-13-2017, 08:58 AM
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I am trying to read Don Quixote......
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10-13-2017, 09:11 AM
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I am trying to read Don Quixote......
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Great!
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10-13-2017, 09:19 AM
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I highly recommend Thomas E. Ricks' Churchill and Orwell: The Fight for Freedom.
It's closing paragraph: The struggle to see things as they are is perhaps the fundamental driver of Western civilization. There is a long but direct line from Aristotle and Archimedes to Locke, Hume, Mill, and Darwin, and from there through Orwell and Churchill to the “Letter from Birmingham City Jail.” It is the agreement that objective reality exists, that people of goodwill can perceive it, and that other people will change views when presented with the facts of the matter.
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I have not read the book. I have a problem with Churchill. I would regard him as essentially anti-German and not pro Freedom.
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10-13-2017, 09:22 AM
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I have not read the book. I have a problem with Churchill. I would regard him as essentially anti-German and not pro Freedom.
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For a British leader in WWII, being anti-German was pro-freedom.
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10-13-2017, 09:30 AM
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For a British leader in WWII, being anti-German was pro-freedom.
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And regarding India?
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10-13-2017, 10:11 AM
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Quote:
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I have not read the book. I have a problem with Churchill. I would regard him as essentially anti-German and not pro Freedom.
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I think most normal people think that was a good thing during the 1930s and 1940s. Churchill's chief accomplishment was warning everyone in Europe in the 1930s that Germany was rearming and Hitler was evil. That is why he was selected to be premier on a nationalist ticket (Labor and Tory coalition)
after the war started.
You should probably read William Manchester's three-volume biography (he was ill and another author finished the last volume) of Churchill. The Last Lion is the general title.
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10-13-2017, 10:26 AM
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I have not read the book. I have a problem with Churchill. I would regard him as essentially anti-German and not pro Freedom.
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Churchill was anti Hitler. He was definitely not anti German. Many British aristocrats were of German descent.
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10-13-2017, 10:28 AM
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And regarding India?
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Nobody's perfect. Putin?
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10-13-2017, 10:40 AM
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And regarding India?
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That's called hypocrisy.
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