Trump Disgraces America Every Day

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Uh, no. What you posted isn't true (and rarely is). Needless to say, the cited article doesn't say what you say it says (IOW, you resort again to lying). It says the Obama administration detained family units together, not that it separated children from their families in order to make hostages out of the children like your Dear Leader has done.

Uh, no. That's not what I said. Here let me help you:

Detaining families indefinitely to "send a message" via a "policy change". Sounds just like Trump "sending a message".

Except that neither are true. What's true is what I posted earlier. The system itself is a mess. And both sides blaming doesn't fix anything.

That's what I said. And since I had to post it twice, it certainly underscores your reading comprehension issues that I've observed in earlier posts.

What I also said is that the entire system is broken. Has been for years. That is undeniable. I've spoken with ICE agents and they're frustrated as well about the broken system that they're in. And while both sides play the blame game, the issues get worse.

I don't see any moral difference between holding families indefinitely at the border to "send a message", or separating families at the border to "send a message". Apparently you do, mostly because you think it gives you a way to make this a political issue. Its interesting that i don't recall you making an issue out of the indefinite detention of families when Barry was doing it, so I guess that's OK with you. Fine and dandy....

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

...I don't see any moral difference between holding families indefinitely at the border to "send a message", or separating families at the border to "send a message"...

Of course you don't, because you're unwilling to acknowledge that Trump is using innocent children as hostages to enable his vile behavior/agenda. Though Obama did indeed deport record numbers of illegal immigrants, he tried to do it as humanely as possible. Trump, however, is deliberately trying to do it as inhumanely as possible. You, of course, are too ignorant and sycophantic to recognize the difference.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Of course you don't, because you're unwilling to acknowledge that Trump is using innocent children as hostages to enable his vile behavior/agenda.

He's not, but that's exactly what Obama DID do. Nary a peep from you about it at the time.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Though Obama did indeed deport record numbers of illegal immigrants, he tried to do it as humanely as possible.

This is Finn's definition of "humanely as possible, I guess.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Trump, however, is deliberately trying to do it as inhumanely as possible. You, of course, are too ignorant and sycophantic to recognize the difference.

Trump is following the law. Period. Trump did not create the system that houses/details illegals at the border, nor the facilities that have been overcrowded and understaffed for the volume for years. Because prior administrations addressed the issue - non-comprehensively - via prosecutorial discretion (there it is again), or as the Mother Jones article pointed out, simply opting to detain families indefinitely (and "sending a message at the same time").

Bottom line - you probably don't give a crap about these kids. To you, its simply an issue that you can distort, inflate and then leverage as some sort of cynical political hammer.

You watch: if something is done to fix the separation issue, someone will sue over it, and it likely won't be a "right wing" person or group that brings the suit. If that happens, the motivation won't be to "help the kids". It'll be to keep the political waters roiled.

We need to comprehensively fix this, so its not left to future administrations to dance around the law with executive orders or patchwork legislation.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by whell

Bottom line - you probably don't give a crap about these kids. To you, its simply an issue that you can distort, inflate and then leverage as some sort of cynical political hammer.

Ha! Almost spit out my coffee laughing so hard.

You’re describing Donny and his idiot followers, like you, to a “T”.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Chicks

Ha! Almost spit out my coffee laughing so hard.

You’re describing Donny and his idiot followers, like you, to a “T”.

No shit. Is there anybody with less self-awareness than Whell (other than his Dear Leader)?

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Originally Posted by whell

He's not, but that's exactly what Obama DID do. Nary a peep from you about it at the time.



This is Finn's definition of "humanely as possible, I guess.

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Trump is following the law. Period. Trump did not create the system that houses/details illegals at the border, nor the facilities that have been overcrowded and understaffed for the volume for years. Because prior administrations addressed the issue - non-comprehensively - via prosecutorial discretion (there it is again), or as the Mother Jones article pointed out, simply opting to detain families indefinitely (and "sending a message at the same time").

Bottom line - you probably don't give a crap about these kids. To you, its simply an issue that you can distort, inflate and then leverage as some sort of cynical political hammer.

You watch: if something is done to fix the separation issue, someone will sue over it, and it likely won't be a "right wing" person or group that brings the suit. If that happens, the motivation won't be to "help the kids". It'll be to keep the political waters roiled.

We need to comprehensively fix this, so its not left to future administrations to dance around the law with executive orders or patchwork legislation.

I need to break out my hipwaders. You are projecting again, Mike.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

You watch: if something is done to fix the separation issue, someone will sue over it, and it likely won't be a "right wing" person or group that brings the suit. If that happens, the motivation won't be to "help the kids". It'll be to keep the political waters roiled.

I see you're parroting Rush again (he said exactly this a couple of hours ago), though you may have inadvertently stumbled on to Trump's apparent ploy without knowing it (courtesy of Josh Marshall):

The President says he’s signing an executive order to end family separations. The actual aim seems to be to pick a fight with the courts and allow separations to continue while blaming judges. According to The New York Times, the President will sign an executive order allowing children to be detained indefinitely with their parents. The problem is that that violates a 1997 consent decree saying that you can’t detain/imprison children for more than 20 days (technically what’s currently happening isn’t detention). It straight up violates that order. So what will almost inevitably happen is that a court will step in, say you can’t do that and then Trump will announce that the judge is forcing him to keep separating families.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

I see you're parroting Rush again (he said exactly this a couple of hours ago), though you may have inadvertently stumbled on to something (courtesy of Josh Marshall):

The President says he’s signing an executive order to end family separations. The actual aim seems to be to pick a fight with the courts and allow separations to continue while blaming judges. According to The New York Times, the President will sign an executive order allowing children to be detained indefinitely with their parents. The problem is that that violates a 1997 consent decree saying that you can’t detain/imprison children for more than 20 days (technically what’s currently happening isn’t detention). It straight up violates that order. So what will almost inevitably happen is that a court will step in, say you can’t do that and then Trump will announce that the judge is forcing him to keep separating families.

Cue up a screed from our resident Trumpfbot about activist judges. In three, two, one...

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United Airlines said in a statement on Wednesday that it had informed the US government that it "should not" fly children who have been separated from their families by immigration officials on its planes.

"Our company's shared purpose is to connect people and unite the world," United Airlines CEO Oscar Munoz said in the statement. "This policy and its impact on thousands of children is in deep conflict with that mission and we want no part of it."

United's statement comes hours after a similar announcement from American Airlines, in which the Texas-based carrier said, "The family separation process that has been widely publicized is not at all aligned with the values of American Airlines — we bring families together, not apart. "

http://www.businessinsider.com/unite...-planes-2018-6

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Originally Posted by finnbow

United Airlines said in a statement on Wednesday that it had informed the US government that it "should not" fly children who have been separated from their families by immigration officials on its planes.

"Our company's shared purpose is to connect people and unite the world," United Airlines CEO Oscar Munoz said in the statement. "This policy and its impact on thousands of children is in deep conflict with that mission and we want no part of it."

United's statement comes hours after a similar announcement from American Airlines, in which the Texas-based carrier said, "The family separation process that has been widely publicized is not at all aligned with the values of American Airlines — we bring families together, not apart. "

http://www.businessinsider.com/unite...-planes-2018-6

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