Obama Critics Speak Out!

[painter]

Obama...as with other presidents...has advisers on policy and other matters of direction that will garner popularity in the population.

I believe a man or woman should be judged on character. His birthplace and former contacts have left a hole in the word character as far as I am concerned. As far as Canadian socialistic medicine ...there are many Canadians who come to Buffalo for cancer treatment.. As a matter a fact...my cancer surgeon was a Canadian who left Canada because of the working conditions. Where has all the common sense gone?

[merrylander]

Canadians come to the US for medical treatment of particular ailments for which there are not sufficient numbers to justify treatment in Canada. They do so at the expense of the Canadian system. This canard won't fly, someone in another group linked to a wiki article about sending a woman to an Oregon hospital as proof that Canadians prefer U.S. healthcare. The facts were that she was suffering a rare pregnancy condition for which there was only a couple of beds at the Vancouver hospital, she was flow to the Oregon hospital on a chartered plane at a cost of $5000 paid for by the government.

As to doctors leaving Canada to practice here it is quite simple, U.S. doctors are overpaid so the answer is simple greed.

If the Single Payer system is so bad why do Canadians live longer than Americans ? Why is the rate of child deaths so much higher here? Why do far fewer Canadians suffer heart attacks?

For a lousy system it has superior results to ours and Canada's standing in any measure of health is higher that ours.

[painter]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Canadians come to the US for medical treatment of particular ailments for which there are not sufficient numbers to justify treatment in Canada. They do so at the expense of the Canadian system. This canard won't fly, someone in another group linked to a wiki article about sending a woman to an Oregon hospital as proof that Canadians prefer U.S. healthcare. The facts were that she was suffering a rare pregnancy condition for which there was only a couple of beds at the Vancouver hospital, she was flow to the Oregon hospital on a chartered plane at a cost of $5000 paid for by the government.

As to doctors leaving Canada to practice here it is quite simple, U.S. doctors are overpaid so the answer is simple greed.

If the Single Payer system is so bad why do Canadians live longer than Americans ? Why is the rate of child deaths so much higher here? Why do far fewer Canadians suffer heart attacks?

For a lousy system it has superior results to ours and Canada's standing in any measure of health is higher that ours.

Sorry...I believe this post is about Obama...afraid we got a bit off the subject here...


Nothing wrong with a man getting paid for his education and skill...it's capitolism all the way! Some interesting reading...

http://healthcare-economist.com/2007...-canada-vs-us/

[soundhound]

Originally Posted by painter

Nothing wrong with a man getting paid for his education and skill...it's capitolism all the way!

certainly nothing wrong with getting paid for your education and skill, but i'd hardly call doctoring a noble profession. when you get paid so much for your education and skill that the common man can't afford your services, there's something wrong with that.

[soundhound]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

Take from the rich, give to the poor socialist ideas, and an inability to "see" the big picture.

can't see the big picture? you mean that the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer?

i find it difficult to understand anyone who would be against taking from the rich and giving to the poor, unless they were rich themselves.

or perhaps they bought the bullshit about "trickle-down ecomonics". i must admit that, at one time, it sounded very feasible to me. but after twenty or so years of seeing those economic principles in action, and after seeing the recent meltdown, my eyes have been opened. it's all been polished poison to feed the poor so that the rich can keep getting richer. don't pallet the propaganda!

very few of the rich actually earned what they have by hard work. most of them either got their wealth through inheritance, or by taking it from someone else (legally of course). they have WAY more than they need, while WAY too many have nothing.

and many of those who have nothing are working their asses off. it's high time that the wealth got re-distributed. if it doesn't happen soon, it's going to happen violently like it did in france so many years ago.

there are people in this country who have never worked an honest day in their lives that have it all, and there are people in this country who have worked there fingers to the bone all their lives that have little or nothing. there's something wrong with this picture.

i agree with alvin lee of ten years after who said, "tax the rich, feed the poor, till there are no rich no more."

[Charles]

Like I said, gimmie Doc Gallagher with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth.

We're going back about 30 yrs, but a Highway Trooper wrote Doc up for turning his boy's minibike around on the highway...if you want to call it a highway.

Anyway, ol' Doc Gallagher put this out for publication:

"If that sonofabitch ever shows up at MY office bleedin'... I'm gonna hand him a bucket."

I doubt if the crusty old fukker would have done it, but he would have stitched him up without a shot...he did it to drunks that woke him up in the middle of the night more than once.

And that's a fact,
Chas

[painter]

We knew a small town Doc whose parents worked like dogs to get the money for his education. They were honest...hard working people who wanted their son to be successful and have more than they had. Isn't this the attitude that made America great? Isn't this what MOST parents want for their children? Well...the youngsters of today will be saddled with enough debt that instead of a dream...they'll get a nightmare. Sad...

[Twodogs]

Originally Posted by soundhound

i find it difficult to understand anyone who would be against taking from the rich and giving to the poor, unless they were rich themselves.


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Ah, and there lies the difference. I'm far from rich, but prefer to work hard and "earn" a decent living for me and mine. I am fortunate enough to live in a country where I've had the same chance to chase wealth as any other man. Sure, some are born wealthy, and some steal it, but I prefer to focus on the many who started with nothing and built buisnesses that provide goods and services and employ people. Why on earth, would I feel entitled to, or want to take something that I hadn't earned? Our thinking is obviously worlds apart.

[painter]

Originally Posted by soundhound

certainly nothing wrong with getting paid for your education and skill, but i'd hardly call doctoring a noble profession. when you get paid so much for your education and skill that the common man can't afford your services, there's something wrong with that.

I do believe its the law profession that makes doctors fees incredibly inflated. Seems ambulance chasers are in the front seat. The cost of malpractice insurance is staggering. Oh...I wonder if healthcare becomes Fed issued...will that change? Will an injured patient be available for a malpractice suit? Anyone know?

[Twodogs]

Originally Posted by painter

I do believe its the law profession that makes doctors fees incredibly inflated. Seems ambulance chasers are in the front seat. The cost of malpractice insurance is staggering. Oh...I wonder if healthcare becomes Fed issued...will that change? Will an injured patient be available for a malpractice suit? Anyone know?

Tort reform would indeed solve a lot of health care problems.