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Old 11-13-2016, 05:16 PM
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How You Lost the World

This is an excellent critique of the elections and I especially get this last bit.

Donald Trump is a fascist. We shouldn’t be afraid of the word: it’s simple and accurate, and his fascism is hardly unique; it’s just a suppurating outgrowth of the fascism that was already there. Still, this time it’s different. The fascisms of Europe in the 1920s and 30s, or east Asia in the 50s and 60s, or Latin America in the 70s and 80s were all the response of a capitalist order to the terrifying potency of an organised working class. Fascism is what capitalism does when it’s under threat, something always latent but extending in claws when it’s time to fight; it imitates mass movements while never really having the support of the masses. (In Germany, for instance, support for the Nazis was highest among the industrial haute bourgeoisie, and declined through every social stratum; look at Trump’s share of the voter per income band and see the same pattern. The workers didn’t vote for Trump, they just didn’t vote for Clinton either.) But today the organised working class is nowhere to be found. There’s no coherent left-wing movement actively endangering capitalism; the crisis facing the liberal-capitalist order is entirely internal. It’s grinding against its own contradictions, circling the globe to turn back against itself, smashing through its biological and ecological limits and finding nothing on the other side. This is the death spasm, a truly nihilist fascism, the fascism of a global system prickling for enemies to destroy but charging only against itself. There’s no silence in the final and total victory, just an endless war with only one side. It’s not entirely the case, as the slogan puts it, that the only thing capable of defeating the radical right is a radical left. The radical right will defeat itself, sooner or later, even if it’s at the cost of a few tens of millions of lives. We need a radical left so there can be any kind of fight at all.

https://samkriss.com/2016/11/09/how-you-lost-the-world/
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Old 11-14-2016, 02:28 AM
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This is actually excellent. I am very familiar with fascism. I am the only one in this forum who lives in a former fascist country.

There will be at last only losers.

The American essence, the world will recover! Sieg Heil!
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Old 11-14-2016, 07:25 PM
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This is actually excellent. I am very familiar with fascism. I am the only one in this forum who lives in a former fascist country.

There will be at last only losers.

The American essence, the world will recover! Sieg Heil!
Thank you. I have never lived in a fascist country but I understand what it is through history. The millions of lives being lost is about right. I hope it doesn't take that for folks to wake up.
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Old 11-16-2016, 08:54 PM
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This is an excellent critique of the elections and I especially get this last bit.

Donald Trump is a fascist. We shouldn’t be afraid of the word: it’s simple and accurate, and his fascism is hardly unique; it’s just a suppurating outgrowth of the fascism that was already there. Still, this time it’s different. The fascisms of Europe in the 1920s and 30s, or east Asia in the 50s and 60s, or Latin America in the 70s and 80s were all the response of a capitalist order to the terrifying potency of an organised working class. Fascism is what capitalism does when it’s under threat, something always latent but extending in claws when it’s time to fight; it imitates mass movements while never really having the support of the masses. (In Germany, for instance, support for the Nazis was highest among the industrial haute bourgeoisie, and declined through every social stratum; look at Trump’s share of the voter per income band and see the same pattern. The workers didn’t vote for Trump, they just didn’t vote for Clinton either.) But today the organised working class is nowhere to be found. There’s no coherent left-wing movement actively endangering capitalism; the crisis facing the liberal-capitalist order is entirely internal. It’s grinding against its own contradictions, circling the globe to turn back against itself, smashing through its biological and ecological limits and finding nothing on the other side. This is the death spasm, a truly nihilist fascism, the fascism of a global system prickling for enemies to destroy but charging only against itself. There’s no silence in the final and total victory, just an endless war with only one side. It’s not entirely the case, as the slogan puts it, that the only thing capable of defeating the radical right is a radical left. The radical right will defeat itself, sooner or later, even if it’s at the cost of a few tens of millions of lives. We need a radical left so there can be any kind of fight at all.

https://samkriss.com/2016/11/09/how-you-lost-the-world/
I will give you credit, Poi. You do have a gift for prowling the bowels of the internet and sharing whatever flotsam you happen to find. This one could be a new low. However, I get the sense that you and the author of this witless blog are made for each other.

I did get curious and go have a look at his website / blog (15 wasted minutes of my life that unfortunately I won't be getting back). Here's another nugget from the pollution of the blogosphere that is the site you posted from:

There’s always more, no end to the monstrous things crawling out the chasm between sex and politics. The cuck-sayers are all tremendous fans of Donald Trump, despite the fact that, as everyone knows, he’s only running as part of a secret deal with Hillary Clinton, in which the two old friends agreed that Trump would present himself as the most unpalatable candidate possible to make sure that Clinton would, finally, get everything she ever wanted. The two of them share the same dream. Clinton deploying her big prosthetic Donald, long and rubbery, charging to victory on the engorged Donald that she carries between her legs; and Trump, daring to imagine what could happen if he actually won, his eyes rolling as he fantasises about birthing a new, cruel, strange America, hot streams of life and death flowing endlessly from out his broad and fertile cunt.


Charming. Not only is he dead wrong in his assessment, but I fear this is the way some folks our there truly see the world. Scary-sad.
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Old 11-16-2016, 09:42 PM
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I will give you credit, Poi. You do have a gift for prowling the bowels of the internet and sharing whatever flotsam you happen to find. This one could be a new low. However, I get the sense that you and the author of this witless blog are made for each other.

I did get curious and go have a look at his website / blog (15 wasted minutes of my life that unfortunately I won't be getting back). Here's another nugget from the pollution of the blogosphere that is the site you posted from:

There’s always more, no end to the monstrous things crawling out the chasm between sex and politics. The cuck-sayers are all tremendous fans of Donald Trump, despite the fact that, as everyone knows, he’s only running as part of a secret deal with Hillary Clinton, in which the two old friends agreed that Trump would present himself as the most unpalatable candidate possible to make sure that Clinton would, finally, get everything she ever wanted. The two of them share the same dream. Clinton deploying her big prosthetic Donald, long and rubbery, charging to victory on the engorged Donald that she carries between her legs; and Trump, daring to imagine what could happen if he actually won, his eyes rolling as he fantasises about birthing a new, cruel, strange America, hot streams of life and death flowing endlessly from out his broad and fertile cunt.


Charming. Not only is he dead wrong in his assessment, but I fear this is the way some folks our there truly see the world. Scary-sad.
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Right, 'cuz its my fault that the author wrote what he did.

I suspect that the author isn't alone in his cesspool of hatred. I also suspect you two might be right at home in that cesspool.
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Old 11-17-2016, 02:15 PM
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Right, 'cuz its my fault that the author wrote what he did.

I suspect that the author isn't alone in his cesspool of hatred. I also suspect you two might be right at home in that cesspool.
The poster isn't the author yet you chose to insult her. What's worse is that you insulted her for something else that you found on the site, something that the PO didn't post and maybe never read.

As always you prove yourself to be a sly and disingenuous little shit.
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Old 11-17-2016, 03:53 PM
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The poster isn't the author yet you chose to insult her. What's worse is that you insulted her for something else that you found on the site, something that the PO didn't post and maybe never read.

As always you prove yourself to be a sly and disingenuous little shit.
...and you're so full of hate and anger right now you can hardly see straight. I didn't insult anyone.

But its kinda cute that you're all protective of a fellow hard core lefty.
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...and you're so full of hate and anger right now you can hardly see straight. I didn't insult anyone.
No, not at all.

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