The Sanders Surge

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Ginger Rogers could be as good, backward, and in heels.




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Also brings coattail sex appeal.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

He's toast.

The descriptor "toast" has a dismissive quality that a campaign as vital and significant as Bernie's hardly deserves. That being said, he probably will lose in the end but still will have a delegate total approaching 2,000 if he stays to the convention. That puts him in a very powerful position with respect to the platform and with respect to his position in the Senate if he loses the nomination.

Then again, he's not a democrat, doesn't want to be a democrat, and has looked down his nose at his democratic colleagues since he walked into the US Senate. So maybe it's too much to ask.

Well, he's definitely "a small d democrat" and always has been. And now, because you have to be to run for the nomination, he's the "Big D" kind too. Plus, Bernie has caucused with the Democrats ever since arriving in Congress and supported their legislative efforts at least as much as any Democratic legislator. He does not and never has "looked down his nose" at them.

Bernie is a self-described social democrat but his career has always been that of a New Deal Democrat. That's what appeals to me most about him. I suspect it's also the thing that appeals most to his young supporters, even those who may have never even heard the term New Deal Democrat. They see in Bernie the promise that they have value and that the government should, and will, endeavor to safeguard their present and their future.

Rule by FDR's "economic royalists" has failed and damn near destroyed the country in this century, just as it almost did in 1929. Bernie seeks to address this crisis in the same way that Roosevelt did. To the extent that Hillary embraces such policies, it's because she's after the territory that Bernie has staked out. We'll see whether she sticks to these as the nominee or as president.

The Republicans, especially Trump, want to further consolidate the position of the plutocracy with further tax cuts and business friendly legislation and trade deals.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Boreas

The descriptor "toast" has a dismissive quality that a campaign as vital and significant as Bernie's hardly deserves. That being said, he probably will lose in the end but still will have a delegate total approaching 2,000 if he stays to the convention. That puts him in a very powerful position with respect to the platform and with respect to his position in the Senate if he loses the nomination.



Well, he's definitely "a small d democrat" and always has been. And now, because you have to be to run for the nomination, he's the "Big D" kind too. Bernie is a self-described social democrat but his career has always been that of a New Deal Democrat. That's what appeals to me most about him. I suspect it's also the thing that appeals most to his young supporters, even those who may have never even heard the term New Deal Democrat. They see in Bernie the promise that they have value and that the government should, and will, endeavor to safeguard their present and their future.

Rule by FDR's "economic royalists" has failed and damn near destroyed the country in this century, just as it almost did in 1929. Bernie seeks to address this crisis in the same way that Roosevelt did. To the extent that Hillary embraces such policies, it's because she's after the territory that Bernie has staked out. We'll see whether she sticks to these as the nominee or as president.

The Republicans, especially Trump, want to further consolidate the position of the plutocracy with further tax cuts and business friendly legislation and trade deals.

Bernie would be less effective than even Obie was if elected.

Agenda wise, he is my first choice but his message has no shot in 2016 USA.

[MrPots]

a defeatist attitude......

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Bernie would be less effective than even Obie was if elected.

If Trump is elected, the Congress would probably stay in Republican hands. They would rebel.

If Hillary is elected, her coattails would be pretty non-existent. That would leave the Congress in Republican hands too. The obstruction that followed would make the last 8 years look like a honeymoon.

If Bernie is elected, it would have to be part of a movement. Movements grow very long coattails which could flip the Congress.

Bernie is the best hope for an end to Republican misrule in the Congress.

Agenda wise, he is my first choice but his message has no shot in 2016 USA.

So, since you think Bernie has no chance, you throw your support behind the candidate who's guaranteed not to implement a single shred of Bernie's agenda?

[MrPots]

Amen to that.....

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by nailer

Also brings coattail sex appeal.

Coattail sex, new one on me.

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[icenine]

Originally Posted by Boreas

The descriptor "toast" has a dismissive quality that a campaign as vital and significant as Bernie's hardly deserves. That being said, he probably will lose in the end but still will have a delegate total approaching 2,000 if he stays to the convention. That puts him in a very powerful position with respect to the platform and with respect to his position in the Senate if he loses the nomination.



Well, he's definitely "a small d democrat" and always has been. And now, because you have to be to run for the nomination, he's the "Big D" kind too. Plus, Bernie has caucused with the Democrats ever since arriving in Congress and supported their legislative efforts at least as much as any Democratic legislator. He does not and never has "looked down his nose" at them.

Bernie is a self-described social democrat but his career has always been that of a New Deal Democrat. That's what appeals to me most about him. I suspect it's also the thing that appeals most to his young supporters, even those who may have never even heard the term New Deal Democrat. They see in Bernie the promise that they have value and that the government should, and will, endeavor to safeguard their present and their future.

Rule by FDR's "economic royalists" has failed and damn near destroyed the country in this century, just as it almost did in 1929. Bernie seeks to address this crisis in the same way that Roosevelt did. To the extent that Hillary embraces such policies, it's because she's after the territory that Bernie has staked out. We'll see whether she sticks to these as the nominee or as president.

The Republicans, especially Trump, want to further consolidate the position of the plutocracy with further tax cuts and business friendly legislation and trade deals.

Actually Keynes wrote and told FDR to lay off demonizing the banks because it was causing the country not to come out of the 1937 recession.

[djv8ga]

Anyone else see this tweet? Sanders fans look ready to take out Hillary insurgents.

YvonneWingettSanchez ‏@yvonnewingett · 14h14 hours ago

Secret Service confiscated all this crap from people headed into the @BernieSanders rally.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

He's toast. If Bernie really wants to help the country he will ditch this egotistical trip he's on (it's getting to be the other side of the Trump coin), come out in support of Hillary, and tell all his followers who are threatening to stay home if he's not the nominee that they need to quit being such fucking idiots and get behind Hillary as well.

We are on the verge of having a 5-4 progressive leaning SCOTUS. Another 4 years of Democratic control of the executive branch and it will be 6-3, if not even better. A progressive high court for the next quarter century will provide the kind of real change in the lives of the American people that Barack Obama or Bernie Sanders would not be able to provide if they had 4 terms to do it. Bernie knows it and he needs to stop stroking his pathetic ego and just do it. He got his message out. That's all he was ever going to accomplish anyway.

Then again, he's not a democrat, doesn't want to be a democrat, and has looked down his nose at his democratic colleagues since he walked into the US Senate. So maybe it's too much to ask.

Fuck that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4pg6Jh94Lo