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Old 01-03-2017, 12:16 PM
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Ford CEO: U.S. plant expansion is 'vote of confidence' in Trump

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/03/news...ump/index.html

Ford is canceling plans to build a new plant in Mexico. It will invest $700 million in Michigan instead, creating 700 new U.S. jobs.

...but Finn doesn't think any of this is "sustainable".
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:26 PM
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Old 01-03-2017, 12:36 PM
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Smoke and mirrors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/op...ml?ref=opinion

Big industry recognizes full well that the way to Trump's heart is (insincere) flattery. Give him credit for what you're planning to do anyway and he'll sing your praises (until you do something he doesn't like and he'll compare you to the devil). Details of the Carrier deal still haven't been released and the SoftBank deal was culminated a month before the election. BTW, Ford still intends to expand its manufacturing in Mexico, announcing at the same time that the next-generation Ford Focus will be built at an existing facility there to save on costs.

The only thing sustainable here is Trump taking credit for stuff he has nothing to do with and your willingness to buy into his attention-grabbing BS.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:10 PM
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Finn's flailing continues.

Item One: In an effort to counter a post about news from today, Finn posts an OPINION piece from yesterday.

Item Two: Finn says "The only thing sustainable here is Trump taking credit for stuff he has nothing to do with." Of course, Trump took no credit for Ford's decision to change its Mexico plans. No evidence that Finn read the CNN-Money article I posted, but if he did, he might have seen the following:

Ford (F) CEO Mark Fields said the investment is a "vote of confidence" in the pro-business environment being created by Donald Trump. However, he stressed Ford did not do any sort of special deal with the president-elect.

"We didn't cut a deal with Trump. We did it for our business," Fields told CNN's Poppy Harlow in an exclusive interview Tuesday.


In other words, Trump was not involved directly or indirectly in the decision - making process. Ford's CEO, however, did cite the anticipation of a better business climate under Trump as part of their decision-making process. So, Finn, this was not like Carrier in any way, so you'll need to explain why you chose to reference it in this thread.

Item 3: Once again, for a non-Democrat, Finn fearlessly recycles Dem talking points, even when they don't apply.
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Old 01-03-2017, 01:43 PM
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Of course, Trump took no credit for Ford's decision to change its Mexico plans.
Then, why his tweet "@DanScavino: Ford to scrap Mexico plant, invest in Michigan due to Trump policies" when Trump has implemented exactly zero policies thus far? It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that Ford made a $1.6 billion dollar business decision based upon one of many mendacious Trump campaign promises. They only thing they knew for certain is that they could give Trump a big woody by flattering him and giving him credit for something he had nothing to do with.

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So, Finn, this was not like Carrier in any way, so you'll need to explain why you chose to reference it in this thread.
You're the one who brought up my "unsustainable" comment made in reference to the Carrier deal (the details of which still have not been made public, BTW). It remains to be seen if the Trump administration is successful in creating jobs at a pace equal to that of Obama. Time will tell.

I guess I'm just a bit more skeptical than you or Joad when it comes to reveling in the Wonders of Trump. Given his proclivity to lie and take credit for anything positive, a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted. Your attempts to convince the rest of us take Trump's self-serving claims at face value (like you obviously have) is highly entertaining though.
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Old 01-03-2017, 09:14 PM
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Then, why his tweet "@DanScavino: Ford to scrap Mexico plant, invest in Michigan due to Trump policies" when Trump has implemented exactly zero policies thus far? It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that Ford made a $1.6 billion dollar business decision based upon one of many mendacious Trump campaign promises.
The answers are out there if you care to look. For example:

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/bu...rump.html?_r=0

But the moves raise questions about how competitive the country’s auto industry can be if its manufacturing options shrink in Mexico, and what the implications will be for consumers. For now, at least, some executives are praising Mr. Trump’s economic plans.

“We are encouraged by the pro-growth plans that President-elect Trump and the new Congress indicate they will pursue,” Mark Fields, Ford’s chief executive, said at an event on Tuesday.

That same article cites a recognition of the fact that Trump has a sensitivity to off shoring jobs.

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You're the one who brought up my "unsustainable" comment made in reference to the Carrier deal (the details of which still have not been made public, BTW). It remains to be seen if the Trump administration is successful in creating jobs at a pace equal to that of Obama. Time will tell.
That's because you've used that term rather gloabally to refer to Trump's efforts to retain jobs. However, if Trump equals Obama's pace at creating or retaining jobs, particularly the type of jobs created in the past 8 years, I think Trump's presidency will be regarded as a failure.

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I guess I'm just a bit more skeptical than you or Joad when it comes to reveling in the Wonders of Trump. Given his proclivity to lie and take credit for anything positive, a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted. Your attempts to convince the rest of us take Trump's self-serving claims at face value (like you obviously have) is highly entertaining though.
Everyone is skeptical. And no one is yet "reveling in the wonders of Trump". But the left has become absolutely unhinged since the election, and the mindless hatred on left at Trump is glaring. As evidence, it's difficult to find much in the media, certainly not in this thread, that indicates happiness about 700 jobs being created in Michigan. By contrast, Obama and company kept telling us "those jobs aren't coming back", we should accept this as the new normal, and government retraining was a worker's best hope.
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The answers are out there if you care to look. For example:

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/bu...rump.html?_r=0

But the moves raise questions about how competitive the country’s auto industry can be if its manufacturing options shrink in Mexico, and what the implications will be for consumers. For now, at least, some executives are praising Mr. Trump’s economic plans.

“We are encouraged by the pro-growth plans that President-elect Trump and the new Congress indicate they will pursue,” Mark Fields, Ford’s chief executive, said at an event on Tuesday.

That same article cites a recognition of the fact that Trump has a sensitivity to off shoring jobs.



That's because you've used that term rather gloabally to refer to Trump's efforts to retain jobs. However, if Trump equals Obama's pace at creating or retaining jobs, particularly the type of jobs created in the past 8 years, I think Trump's presidency will be regarded as a failure.



Everyone is skeptical. And no one is yet "reveling in the wonders of Trump". But the left has become absolutely unhinged since the election, and the mindless hatred on left at Trump is glaring. As evidence, it's difficult to find much in the media, certainly not in this thread, that indicates happiness about 700 jobs being created in Michigan. By contrast, Obama and company kept telling us "those jobs aren't coming back", we should accept this as the new normal, and government retraining was a worker's best hope.
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Everyone is skeptical. And no one is yet "reveling in the wonders of Trump"...
Except you, Tom Joad, and ZeroJunk - the 3 Musketeers of Trump sycophancy. In fact, you all look so very cute in your cheerleader outfits.

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Except you, Tom Joad, and ZeroJunk - the 3 Musketeers of Trump sycophancy. In fact, you all look so very cute in your cheerleader outfits.

...and Trumpolini stiffed those little girls. Stay kkklassy Donnie.
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Except you, Tom Joad, and ZeroJunk - the 3 Musketeers of Trump sycophancy. In fact, you all look so very cute in your cheerleader outfits.

Went back and read the first couple pages of this oh-so-typical Whellian thread. These three clowns must be SO embarrassed by now, no wonder they've gone into hiding. Idiots all.
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