"A stunning victory."

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I am having an excellent morning, Dave. Sitting here with the blonde having a cup of coffee...and she's looking as edible as the day I met her when we were both 17. ("She's too cute to be a minute over 17." - Chuck Berry)

I will admit the support from fundamentalist Christians is a bit queer isn't it? I know some of them, like the Salvation Army folks, really believe that Jews are "the chosen". And as a big-time SA elder I once knew used to say, "The only way into heaven is on the coat-tails of a Jew." But I will agree that most of the support from US Christians is political, which I suppose is a shame.

Just please don't leave out all the non-end timer American Jews who are providing financial aid and moral support to their Israeli brethren.

But y'know speaking of "sick of it"...the whole world has been sick of Jews and done it's best to rid itself of Jews in one way or another going back way further than 1946. The 3rd Century BCE in Egypt was a long time ago. So non-Jew humans have had plenty of time to refine their animosity. Typically because Jews have historically been resistant to accept the religious and social standard of whichever predominant culture they were stuck in. Humans don't like that shit much, y'know? Witness the Alexandria slaughter in 38 CE, the Spanish Inquisition, and of course the Holocaust. But what the heck...you want the benefit of being a Jew you gotta accept all that goes with it. And finally the Jews are handed a place of their own so that the rest of the world doesn't have to deal with so many of them anymore (you must know that's what the partition of Israel was really all about)...and, of course nobody likes that either.

"Oy vey ist mir.", as uncle Abe used to say.

Yes, there certainly is plenty of tragic, bloody history that seems to follow them around wherever they go, isn't there?

Meanwhile in the 21st Century;

Witness the fact that others are being forced to pay to protect Israel, send their kids into war to protect Israel and that Israel doesn't really do much of any fucking thing for the rest of the world.

It's actually pretty damn brilliant, really. We even gave them their own country.

The main thing I have always admired about Jews; In no small part, they really are highly intelligent, driven people. The will to survive and thrive no matter how much it costs us or how many of our soldiers must give their lives, is nothing short of breathtaking.



Dave

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Yes, there certainly is plenty of tragic, bloody history that seems to follow them around wherever they go, isn't there?

Meanwhile in the 21st Century;

Witness the fact that others are being forced to pay to protect Israel, send their kids into war to protect Israel and that Israel doesn't really do much of any fucking thing for the rest of the world.

It's actually pretty damn brilliant, really. We even gave them their own country.

The main thing thing I have always admired about Jews; In no small part, they really are highly intelligent, driven people. The will to survive and thrive no matter how much it costs us or how many of our soldiers must give their lives, is nothing short of breathtaking.



Dave

You're such a sneaky guy, Dave. I was right there with you, right up until the "our" you slipped in there just before soldiers. I guess you're referring to WWII, cause for the life of me I can't feature any other time when this country lost any soldiers for the cause of any Jews. And we best remember that this country and Britain knew exactly what was going on I Germany by 1935 and left European Jews hung out to dry and twisting in the wind for the better part of a decade before it was finally decided to go in there and do something about the Nazis. And we all know that if Hitler (uh-oh Godwin's law alert!) had not been such an addled maniac and restricted his activities to within his own borders there would never have been any American soldiers lost in the cause of any Jews (which was a secondary cause anyway) at all...ever. German Jews would have all been dead and that would have been the end of it.

But outside of that little issue...I'm feeling just all warm and fuzzy about your post.

[d-ray657]

And the opinion or the people of the United States whether they wish to continue to subsidize the militant approach of Likud, as expressed on the eve of the election, would be the only opinion that matters on the future expenditure of tax dollars.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I am having an excellent morning, Dave. Sitting here with the blonde having a cup of coffee...and she's looking as edible as the day I met her when we were both 17. ("She's too cute to be a minute over 17." - Chuck Berry)

I will admit the support from fundamentalist Christians is a bit queer isn't it? I know some of them, like the Salvation Army folks, really believe that Jews are "the chosen". And as a big-time SA elder I once knew used to say, "The only way into heaven is on the coat-tails of a Jew." But I will agree that most of the support from US Christians is political, which I suppose is a shame.

Just please don't leave out all the non-end timer American Jews who are providing financial aid and moral support to their Israeli brethren.

But y'know speaking of "sick of it"...the whole world has been sick of Jews and done it's best to rid itself of Jews in one way or another going back way further than 1946. The 3rd Century BCE in Egypt was a long time ago. So non-Jew humans have had plenty of time to refine their animosity. Typically because Jews have historically been resistant to accept the religious and social standard of whichever predominant culture they were stuck in. Humans don't like that shit much, y'know? Witness the Alexandria slaughter in 38 CE, the Spanish Inquisition, and of course the Holocaust. But what the heck...you want the benefit of being a Jew you gotta accept all that goes with it. And finally the Jews are handed a place of their own so that the rest of the world doesn't have to deal with so many of them anymore (you must know that's what the partition of Israel was really all about)...and, of course nobody likes that either.

"Oy vey ist mir.", as uncle Abe used to say.

Similar to the problem Mormons had/ have where they don't convert to the local religion, with the added negative of actively converting others to theirs which of course isn't part of Jewish practice. Mormons also would be fellow Christians if they hadn't gotten it all wrong, and then there's all that polygamy baggage.
Still, it pales to insignificance compared to the ongoing historical oppression of our Hebrew brethern.

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[BlueStreak]

Why was Bibi in DC, not long ago, bleating for "support" from the US Congress? Because, he knows Israel would never survive on it's own. So, our religious fanatics had to be reminded of every reason why seeking a peaceful solution with Iran's religious fanatics is such a bad idea.

Iran hates Israel.

Israel knows they are surrounded by insane people who will probably side with Iran if the shit hits the fan.

Irani religious zealots hate America because our religious zealots and our idiot government support Israel.

Bibi runs to his big brother and begs him to protect him from the bullies.

Here we have it;

ANY attempt at defusing the situation peacefully is out of the question, straight out of the gate. Read Bibis book, Fighting Terrorism. The man has as much intention to peacefully coexist as the Ayatollahs do. What does that leave? Just look at the American idiots calling for war. The End Times. Armageddon. Whatever you want to call their insane quest to facilitate the alleged return of Christ.

Israel is a lightning rod for perpetual shitstorms in the Middle East, that the United Nations erected and we support. Other countries contribute very little or nothing at all because they see it for the pointless pain in the ass that it is. If you don't see it, it's because you don't want to, or maybe you do, but don't care because it serves your personal religious/emotional purposes?

To me, it's not worth fighting for. If you prop up your tent in the middle of a busy freeway and you get run over, you are an idiot. If you expect others spend money and/or risk their live to come to your rescue, you are an asshole.

People who hold up a lightning rod, then bitch when they get struck, deserve what they just got.

Dave

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Irani religious zealots hate America because our religious zealots and our idiot government support Israel.

Dave

We could go around and around with all the points in your post and end up nowhere. But the comment above was of some interest to me and this popped immediately into my head...

So do you make decisions on who are gonna be your friends based on the crazy guy down on the corner threatening to throw a brick through your picture window if you pick somebody he doesn't like?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Iran hates Israel.

True, or at least the Iranian regime "hates" the Israeli regime (and vice versa). I'm not so sure you can make similar claims for the populations of either country.

Part of the problem is that both countries want to be the regional hegemon. Israel's nuclear capability and the military support they receive from us make that a near reality. If Iran were to develop a nuclear weapon, that would flip things on their head.

This is also why the Saudis don't like Iran very much. They don't like the idea of a Shia nation being the most powerful in the region.

Israel knows they are surrounded by insane people who will probably side with Iran if the shit hits the fan.

I don't think so. The Sunni/Shia conflict, particularly the Salafi radicals on the Sunni side, would make such an alliance against Israel very unlikely. Based on what we're seeing these days, they'd rather kill each other.

Irani religious zealots hate America because our religious zealots and our idiot government support Israel.

That doesn't help but it's really a side issue. The regime hates us because of our direct involvement in Iran, particularly our engineering the coup which overthrew a popularly elected leader, Mohammad Mosaddegh, and installing a tyrant, Reza Pahlavi, in his place. Pahlavi (the Shah) conducted a US-supported reign of terror for nearly a quarter century until he was deposed in the Islamic Revolution.

John

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Boreas

That doesn't help but it's really a side issue. The regime hates us because of our direct involvement in Iran, particularly our engineering the coup which overthrew a popularly elected leader, Mohammad Mosaddegh, and installing a tyrant, Reza Pahlavi, in his place. Pahlavi (the Shah) conducted a US-supported reign of terror for nearly a quarter century until he was deposed in the Islamic Revolution.

John

Ought to be shouted and repeated continuously.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Ought to be shouted and repeated continuously.

Perhaps starting reading here would help dispell many misconceptions as well. The world did not suddenly begin in 1948.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour...ration_of_1917

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Perhaps starting reading here would help dispell many misconceptions as well. The world did not suddenly begin in 1948.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour...ration_of_1917

Oh, it's much older than that!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Game

John