50 Years Ago Today

[bobabode]

McCord and his 'plumbers' were arrested at the Watergate offices of the DNC. It took two years to get Nixon out of office.

[RickeyM]

I was just wondering if the current GOP effort to take control of and do away with our democracy is payback for having to turn on Nixon? Crazy huh?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

I was just wondering if the current GOP effort to take control of and do away with our democracy is payback for having to turn on Nixon? Crazy huh?

Those assholes have been out to revenge Nixon since '79 when St. Ronnie the Snitch played footsie with the Iranian mullahs that kidnapped our people in Tehran. All to beat Carter, fecking traitors.

All that GQP America has is grievance, real or imagined. Mostly imagined.

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Those assholes have been out to revenge Nixon since '79 when St. Ronnie the Snitch played footsie with the Iranian mullahs that kidnapped our people in Tehran. All to beat Carter, fecking traitors.

Not sure what you're talking about here. Reagan had nothing to do with the Iranians taking hostages at the Embassy in Tehran in 1979, nor did he have anything to do with their release. Their release occurred after the election, so the timing of their release could not have impacted the 1980 election results.

Can you please provide detail on what you're referring to above?

[RickeyM]

Uh, the release was "negotiated" to happen after the inauguration by Reagan's people.

bobabode

All that GQP America has is grievance, real or imagined. Mostly imagined.

Got that right.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Not sure what you're talking about here. Reagan had nothing to do with the Iranians taking hostages at the Embassy in Tehran in 1979, nor did he have anything to do with their release. Their release occurred after the election, so the timing of their release could not have impacted the 1980 election results.

Can you please provide detail on what you're referring to above?

He said that Reagan played footsie with the same people who had (earlier) taken hostages in Iran, not that he had something to do with the taking of hostages. He's absolutely correct about this.

Between 1981 and 1986, Reagan administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to the Khomeini government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo. The administration hoped to use the proceeds of the arms sale to fund the Contras, a right-wing rebel group, in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.

So, he violated the arms embargo and the Boland Amendment.

So, all five of the most recently elected Republican presidents did some pretty unsavory/illegal shit:
1. Nixon had his Watergate scandal.
2. Reagan and his administration broke several laws in supplying arms to terrorists in the Iran Contra affair.
3. George H. W. Bush preempted himself from being implicated in Iran Contra by pardoning those implicated/convicted in associated crimes (per Independent Counsel Walsh).
4. Dubya led the nation to war in Iraq on false pretenses.
5. Trump staged an autogolpe (a self-coup) and became the only president ever to not participate in a peaceful transfer of power.

So, it can certainly be argued that the GOP is an ongoing criminal enterprise. In fact, 142 members of the past 3 Republican presidents have been indicted (and counting (for Trump)) whereas 2 members of the past 3 Democratic administrations have been indicted.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by finnbow

He said that Reagan played footsie with the same people who had (earlier) taken hostages in Iran, not that he had something to do with the taking of hostages. He's absolutely correct about this.

Between 1981 and 1986, Reagan administration officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to the Khomeini government of the Islamic Republic of Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo. The administration hoped to use the proceeds of the arms sale to fund the Contras, a right-wing rebel group, in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.

So, he violated the arms embargo and the Boland Amendment.

So, all five of the most recently elected Republican presidents did some pretty unsavory/illegal shit:
1. Nixon had his Watergate scandal.
2. Reagan and his administration broke several laws in supplying arms to terrorists in the Iran Contra affair.
3. George H. W. Bush preempted himself from being implicated in Iran Contra by pardoning those implicated/convicted in associated crimes (per Independent Counsel Walsh).
4. Dubya led the nation to war in Iraq on false pretenses.
5. Trump staged an autogolpe (a self-coup) and became the only president ever to not participate in a peaceful transfer of power.

So, it can certainly be argued that the GOP is an ongoing criminal enterprise.

The party of las & order? What you say

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Not sure what you're talking about here. Reagan had nothing to do with the Iranians taking hostages at the Embassy in Tehran in 1979, nor did he have anything to do with their release. Their release occurred after the election, so the timing of their release could not have impacted the 1980 election results.

Can you please provide detail on what you're referring to above?

You've never heard of Iran Contra? Really?

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

You've never heard of Iran Contra? Really?

Your post specifically referred to 1979 and the 1980 campaign:

Those assholes have been out to revenge Nixon since '79 when St. Ronnie the Snitch played footsie with the Iranian mullahs that kidnapped our people in Tehran. All to beat Carter, fecking traitors.

Iran Contra followed the 1980 campaign by years. Still looking for clarification on your remarks.

[whell]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

Uh, the release was "negotiated" to happen after the inauguration by Reagan's people.

bobabode
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Another myth/conspiracy theory that refuses to die, and one that both Repubs and Dems try to use for their advantage when the opportunity presents itself.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...ease-hostages/