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[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by neophyte

.... Thankfully, we will never know.

Hear hear, I'll drink to that!

And another, to Hitler's stupidity. Master race my ass. (clink)

Pete

[Big_Bill]

neophyte, unsettling for who ?

If not for good men being willing and able to fight wars, we would still be singing Hail to the Queen ! Or speaking German and hailing our Fuhrer ! Or bowing very low to our Japanese King Hirohito !

All that it takes for Evil to Exist, is for Good Men to do NOTHING !!!!

If Dwight had not been such a political hack, Patton, given the supplies, could have shortened the war appreciably.

And I do not know where you read your account of WW II, but Hitler was planing to invade England just prior to the Normandy Invasion. And by the grace of God, we held the ground and moved forward. Then Patton and Montgomery fought their way up from Sicily through Italy fighting the entrenched German Armies back into France. I can't remember anyone saying that "Germany was a depleted and defeated entity,: until they lost their final attack form, I believe the Arden Valley.

We basically won WWII due to Hitlers stupidity, he refused to listen to his Generals, and wanted to make every decision himself, or with the aid of fortune tellers.

Are you French or maybe Russian ?

Bill

[neophyte]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

neophyte, unsettling for who ?

If not for good men being willing and able to fight wars, we would still be singing Hail to the Queen ! Or speaking German and hailing our Fuhrer ! Or bowing very low to our Japanese King Hirohito !

All that it takes for Evil to Exist, is for Good Men to do NOTHING !!!!

If Dwight had not been such a political hack, Patton, given the supplies, could have shortened the war appreciably.

And I do not know where you read your account of WW II, but Hitler was planing to invade England just prior to the Normandy Invasion. And by the grace of God, we held the ground and moved forward. Then Patton and Montgomery fought their way up from Sicily through Italy fighting the entrenched German Armies back into France. I can't remember anyone saying that "Germany was a depleted and defeated entity,: until they lost their final attack form, I believe the Arden Valley.

We basically won WWII due to Hitlers stupidity, he refused to listen to his Generals, and wanted to make every decision himself, or with the aid of fortune tellers.

Are you French or maybe Russian ?

Bill

I'm just as much an American as you are, just not nearly as brainwashed. I get my info from accurate historical accounts, not Hollywood produced propaganda that still seems to get the gullible all lathered up and slobbering over the "glory" of it all.

Apparently you aren't familiar enough with Patton's career to know when, where, and how he came to lead the 3rd Army, which if you read my last post, is what I referenced.

I got the "grace" of your "god" swingin'. Where was he when 6 million jews were being systematically slaughtered?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Rex E.

With almost limitless U.S. cash, training and weapons, right? (and who knows what other classified things)

Funny how "U.S. cash" becomes "unlimited" when it comes to committing acts of beligerance, but there is no money to provide healthcare benefits for our elderly......

Must be one of those "Christian Values" we're always hearing about.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by neophyte

I'm just as much an American as you are, just not nearly as brainwashed. I get my info from accurate historical accounts, not Hollywood produced propaganda that still seems to get the gullible all lathered up and slobbering over the "glory" of it all.

Apparently you aren't familiar enough with Patton's career to know when, where, and how he came to lead the 3rd Army, which if you read my last post, is what I referenced.

I got the "grace" of your "god" swingin'. Where was he when 6 million jews were being systematically slaughtered?

So, it's not just me? You're getting that vibe too?

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by neophyte

do you actually find war that glorious an endeavor? most unsettling.

I get that Patton is a rah rah figure from WW2 and all that for America, but, let's not forget a few things from the time he led the 3rd Army on all those conquests. Germany was a depleted and defeated entity, cornered and making their last stand against a far fresher foe with overwhelming numbers, abundant supplies and mobility, and air superiority so absolute they could darken the skies with all manners of attack aircraft in passable weather. Now, add in the small matter of a few million very pissed off and well outfitted Russians dropping the hammer on them from the rear, and I believe you have what could be called an overwhelming tactical advantage. He did good, but, he was well positioned to do so. Had Germany not been under such pressure from the rear guard action, who knows how long and costly the assault from the west would have been. Thankfully, we will never know.

Thank you.

Dave

[Bigerik]

Germany hadn't been in a position to invade Britain for years before Normandie. Depending on how you look at it, the war was over after either Stalingrad or Kursk. The good divisions were mostly up against the Soviet bastards. Once they were tired and burned out, they were sent to France to recuperate and rebuild.

And let's not give the Russians too much credit. The overwhelming material superiority they had was a direct result of all the supplies sent by the allies to support them. Without that, they likely would have fought to a long, drawn out stalemate.

Regardless, Normandy was a pretty near thing. A little luck on the part of the Germans, and things could have gone very differently.

[neophyte]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

Germany hadn't been in a position to invade Britain for years before Normandie. Depending on how you look at it, the war was over after either Stalingrad or Kursk. The good divisions were mostly up against the Soviet bastards. Once they were tired and burned out, they were sent to France to recuperate and rebuild.

And let's not give the Russians too much credit. The overwhelming material superiority they had was a direct result of all the supplies sent by the allies to support them. Without that, they likely would have fought to a long, drawn out stalemate.

Regardless, Normandy was a pretty near thing. A little luck on the part of the Germans, and things could have gone very differently.

"Soviet bastards", eh? In the more than two years that elapsed between when Roosevelt promised Molotov that a second, western front would be opened in France until D Day actually happened, Russia was invaded, raped and ravaged while other Allied forces exercised the option to take a measured invasion approach through North Africa, Sicily, Italy etc. The overwhelming majority of violent conflict of WW2 in Europe took place on Russian soil during this period. Lend Lease did provide considerable material support of the Soviet forces, but the more than 23 million war deaths they suffered cannot be trivialized, even by our revisionist history. The casualties of war suffered by Great Britain and the USA combined did not amount to even 4% of their total deaths.

Who were the real "bastards" in the deal?

[Bigerik]

The Russian bastards were the ones who invaded my parents home country of Estonia, did mass deportations of people to Siberia, and amongst other things,killed my great grandfather as well as many other family members, for no crimes other than being reasonably successful in life.

I guess you forget that the second world war actually began with the nigh onto simultaneous invasions of eastern Europe by Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union was just as bad, if not worse, than Nazi Germany. THe Nazis were amateurs in mass killings compared to the Soviets. Two sides of the same coin.

[Bigerik]

And the infamous picture of German and Soviet troops meeting following the division of Poland.