Just how tough is the United States of America

[Oerets]

Talking to a Doctor friend today and the subject was C-19 and wearing/not wearing of masks at first.

Then we went, went on talking and then to us both realizing and agreeing, just how much this country has changed since the greatest generation. Gone is the exceptionalism of the past it so seems today. Our forefathers would be ashamed of what we have done to the country they left to us.

Talk a big and loud game! Just do not have the stomach for when it gets hard.

That when our time came to be tested as a country, make the sacrifices required. Roll up our sleeves and go to work as one fighting against a common enemy.

We as a whole failed miserably.

Just how weak and selfish the nation has become. That wearing a simple mask to help protect others if not yourself.

Is to much to ask!

Going to the beach swimming, getting a tattoo a haircut eating at a restaurant a bar is more important then another's health or life.

Selfish and weak!

Now it can be argued that with a great leader at the helm with a party that is in control of the senate. That this could of been different. With a game plan and using science as a guide.

Who knows with the amount of disinformation and conspiracies that a segment would rather believe then facts. I fear there still would of been gridlock and indecision. For the fact people do not want to suffer any inconveniences. To many live for today not planning for tomorrow.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Talking to a Doctor friend today and the subject was C-19 and wearing/not wearing of masks at first.

Then we went, went on talking and then to us both realizing and agreeing, just how much this country has changed since the greatest generation. Gone is the exceptionalism of the past it so seems today. Our forefathers would be ashamed of what we have done to the country they left to us.

Talk a big and loud game! Just do not have the stomach for when it gets hard.

That when our time came to be tested as a country, make the sacrifices required. Roll up our sleeves and go to work as one fighting against a common enemy.

We as a whole failed miserably.

Just how weak and selfish the nation has become. That wearing a simple mask to help protect others if not yourself.

Is to much to ask!

Going to the beach swimming, getting a tattoo a haircut eating at a restaurant a bar is more important then another's health or life.

Selfish and weak!

Now it can be argued that with a great leader at the helm with a party that is in control of the senate. That this could of been different. With a game plan and using science as a guide.

Who knows with the amount of disinformation and conspiracies that a segment would rather believe then facts. I fear there still would of been gridlock and indecision. For the fact people do not want to suffer any inconveniences. To many live for today not planning for tomorrow.

We're fighting different enemies. Those that wear a mask are fighting one enemy. Those that don't are fighting a different one. That's really all that is going on here.

I'm of the latter group. It would be easy to just go along with the flow and wear a mask. But there is a reason I don't. It's the same reason our founders gave up their "comfort" and fought the King. It would have been much easier to just do what they are told. And many did in fact feel that way.

But the patriots did not acquiesce and simply do as they were told. They fought back - and won. Just as they are winning in the US. A good example is this:

Judge Rules All of Illinois Free From Gov. Pritzker’s Unlawful Mandates

That ruling is the result of people FIGHTING, not sheepishly simply doing what they are told. The latter is the European way. The latter is what those that did NOT board the Mayflower and other ships to the new world did. Fighting and taking risk is what the pilgrims and the rest that heard the call of mother liberty did when they boarded ships to this nation. And now, some would have us become just another European nation of sheep.

Nope.

[watsup1000]

A “patriot” who puts others at risk. Color me not impressed.

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by watsup1000

A “patriot” who puts others at risk. Color me not impressed.

Does he? I disagree. Put away the CNN and broaden your sources. And now Fauci is dreaming up new reasons to stay locked down. This whole thing has been a farce since day one. Most of the deaths in NY and NJ were due to poor handling of patients rather than the disease, and experts suspected this way back in april.

https://www.google.com/search?client...s+do+more+harm

[donquixote99]

Oh sure, wrap yourself in the mantle of the American Revolutionaries! Ha ha ha.

Let me ask you this, does your all-American spirit of rebellion extend to not wearing seat belts? Do you enjoy raw chicken for lunch frequently? If you ever started smoking, I'm sure you've not let anyone tell you you should stop.

Do you knuckle under to tyranny to the extent of keeping government-required insurance on your car? Or have you declared yourself a sovereign citizen immune to car registration fees and all taxes?

Do you live on a ridge in Idaho? If so, is your roof up to code, or are you sticking with cedar shingles until they peel them from your hot dead forehead?

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Oh sure, wrap yourself in the mantle of the American Revolutionaries! Ha ha ha.

Let me ask you this, does your all-American spirit of rebellion extend to not wearing seat belts? Do you enjoy raw chicken for lunch frequently? If you ever started smoking, I'm sure you've not let anyone tell you you should stop.

Do you knuckle under to tyranny to the extent of keeping government-required insurance on your car? Or have you declared yourself a sovereign citizen immune to car registration fees and all taxes?

Do you live on a ridge in Idaho? If so, is your roof up to code, or are you sticking with cedar shingles until they peel them from your hot dead forehead?

My wife and I were avid seat belt wearers until it became the law. We refused to wear them for over two years. Sure, it was dumb but we value principle that much. Now we wear them even though we are required to because we decided we should choose our battles.

And we don't have any health insurance. We literally stopped it the day Obamacare became the law of the land. We trust in the Lord and he has been faithful. And we've saved over 100,000 after tax dollars for useless high deductible premiums. We've taken care of our own health care.

Why do you think we moved from Seattle to rural KY? The politics there were killing us. And I just completed a 30x60 garage/office - no permits required.

There are still places in the US where men are free.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

We've taken care of our own health care.

Good for you'all until it isn't!

What may well happen, one of you will get sick. Need attention and the rest of us who pay taxes will pick up the tab. Then the government will come after you for payment. Seizure of property, estate for unpaid medical bills.

It is said, the largest amount charged for healthcare is on average in the last year of life.

Pray that one away!

Give on to Caesar what is due Caesar, is written down for you in the book!

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Good for you'all until it isn't!

What may well happen, one of you will get sick. Need attention and the rest of us who pay taxes will pick up the tab. Then the government will come after you for payment. Seizure of property, estate for unpaid medical bills.

It is said, the largest amount charged for healthcare is on average in the last year of life.

Pray that one away!

Give on to Caesar what is due Caesar, is written down for you in the book!

False. I had an ER visit. I paid for it out of pocket. It was also a complete waste of time and money. We are self insured.

Most medical care really doesn't cost that much. When your premiums are over $1500 a month and there is a deductible of thousands of dollars per person, a $300 MRI is nothing. Same with setting a broken bone. And neither of us takes any drugs at all.

And what if we get cancer? I have a friend that has been cancer free for over a decade who was diagnosed with stage four breast cancer. She was cured by the Gerson method. Another friend had stage four thyroid cancer. He did some Chemo, and before his second set of treatments he was cured - with THC oil. When the doctor interviewed him and found out what he was doing, he became angry and verbally abusive. I guess he wasn't getting those yacht payments after all.

And we have two miraculous healings. The Lord is the great healer.

Most importantly, as Christians we very much adhere to the words of Paul: "For me, to live is Christ and to die is gain."

[Not Insane]

Originally Posted by Oerets

It is said, the largest amount charged for healthcare is on average in the last year of life.

Pray that one away!

That happened with my father in law. It was disgusting. The interesting part is that he was ready to go, but he was insured and the hospital spent hundreds of thousands trying to keep him alive for a few months.

This is one of the key problems with our health care system. Spending a fortune to keep the old and infirm alive "just a little bit longer".

Our culture is petrified of death, which is curious, because it is inevitable, and is actually a passing through the birth canal into the "real" world.

But for those that don't believe, this life is all there is. It changes your world view - especially when you start seeing yourself as mortal, which starts happening for most people in their 40's.

My father was like me. He never went to the doctor. He was 89 and for a year we thought he was suffering from Alzheimer's or dementia. He kept mixing up words. Then one day he was in the hardware store and they had to call the police because he could not communicate and was getting beligerent. It took four cops to subdue him.

They took him to a hospital and did a brain scan. He had a golf ball sized brain tumor. It was totally inoperable and, they said, would have been if they had discovered it a year before. Three days later he was in hospice and four days later he was dead. That last week including the ER visit would have cost around $4,000 without insurance (Medicare A covered the three days in the hospital).

That is the way I want to go. Because of the morphene he was barely there, but we all got to see him and say goodbye, then, when the last person left the room, he died. We learned that people will often do that - Fight to stay alive until they are alone and free to meet our maker.

Mos of the cost of his care would have been within the deductible of most health care plans I've looked into.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Not Insane

My wife and I were avid seat belt wearers until it became the law. We refused to wear them for over two years. Sure, it was dumb but we value principle that much. Now we wear them even though we are required to because we decided we should choose our battles.

And we don't have any health insurance. We literally stopped it the day Obamacare became the law of the land. We trust in the Lord and he has been faithful. And we've saved over 100,000 after tax dollars for useless high deductible premiums. We've taken care of our own health care.

Why do you think we moved from Seattle to rural KY? The politics there were killing us. And I just completed a 30x60 garage/office - no permits required.

There are still places in the US where men are free.

Choose your battles carefully, don't lose everything in a petty quarrel.
I remember a premier conspiracy theorist doing rants about "freedom" and the Illuminati on short wave radio that, after all of his grandstanding on the threats to the Nation and "freedom", shot dead in his driveway over a petty dispute with the local constabulary.