Another Mass Shooting in the Good Ol' USA

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Mental health is too broad a reasoning. And ease of access to assault weapons makes it easier to go on a rampage.

And yet, the Michigan State University shooter did all kinds of damage with just a couple of handguns. You can ban all the assault rifles you want. Folks intent on murder/suicide will simply find another tool to use.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

And yet, the Michigan State University shooter did all kinds of damage with just a couple of handguns. You can ban all the assault rifles you want. Folks intent on murder/suicide will simply find another tool to use.

You can suggest anything you want. Whell, intent on arguing, will simply find another reason to say it won't work.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

And yet, the Michigan State University shooter did all kinds of damage with just a couple of handguns. You can ban all the assault rifles you want. Folks intent on murder/suicide will simply find another tool to use.

What's your solution or are daily mass murders the price you're willing to pay to ensure every swinging dick has an AR-15?

[Oerets]

The ability to fire repeatably from a hi capacity magazine. With just the pulling of the trigger without the need for manually reloading. Pistol, rifle does not matter. The AR15 with the it's round just intensifies the problem.
The use of "Assault Weapon" is a distraction from the issues. Being used as a focal point when a broader view to solve the problem needs our attention.

Both pistol and rifle need to be address with strong regulations. To combat the problems with their use by people with intent on harm towards others.

[Pio1980]

A general query;
What, exactly, is the rationale and practical point of the second amendment as written in full, in our post-revolutionary era, when other similar countries do fine without it and our proliferation of mass killings?

[Oerets]

I feel it is would be fine if the full reading of what is written was the case. A "Well Regulated Militia" we have now in the form of the National Guard even could be argued the Armed Forces and Police to some degree. Under civilian control.

Similar countries have guns, the differences being the amount of regulations restrictions to the guns.

The citizens of this country seem to have a group of spoiled brats who want the wild wild west back again.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

A general query;
What, exactly, is the rationale and practical point of the second amendment as written in full, in our post-revolutionary era, when other similar countries do fine without it and our proliferation of mass killings?

Oh the rationalizations vary, stuff about hunting and self-defense, and the right of people to take up arms against tyrrany. What tyrrany? The attempts to regulate arms, see?

But the real reason is guns symbolize 'us,' and the ones who don't like them are 'them.' You know--the cultural enemy. It's not rational, it's emotional.

[Oerets]

The gun owners need to address the issue with sustainable substantive solutions. By being silent or down playing, will be out of the discussions and very unhappy with the results.

There will be regulations coming. Can count on that!

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

In the case of the Dayton shooting, the police were practically right there when the guy opened fire. Killed him in 30 seconds. Hard to have a better good-guy-with-a-gun setup. In those 30 seconds the attacker killed 9 people.

Originally Posted by whell

And yet, the Michigan State University shooter did all kinds of damage with just a couple of handguns. You can ban all the assault rifles you want. Folks intent on murder/suicide will simply find another tool to use.

Can a simple hand gun do this, kill 9 people within 30 seconds with the cops bearing down on you?

Logic tells me that a rapid fire weapon will shoot faster, a lot faster. One only needs to spray the bullets, not aim and shoot. From what I know, most people will miss with handgun from a reasonable distance.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Can a simple hand gun do this, kill 9 people within 30 seconds with the cops bearing down on you?

Yep. The Virginia Tech shooter used 2 semiautomatic pistols with large magazine capacities (15 and 10 round) to kill 32 and injure 17.