School shootings on the rise

[barbara]

Change the culture.....

Remember when it was fashionable to smoke cigarettes?
After years of media messages and education.... smoking cigarettes is not so fashionable anymore.

We need to do the same with guns.... media and education for safe and sensible gun ownership.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by CarlV

What happens if and when a teacher short circuits at school and decides to turn on the students is my question. And if the students have AR15's too?
This whole approach is as lame as the line about if everyone has to have background checks it would mean that the second amendment becomes invalid. You really have to be a dumbass to fall for that one.


It is sad state of affairs these ideas that even 3rd world countries do not employ are even considered at all in the USA.

Even Rupert Murdoch agrees.

[Rajoo]

Finally a solution we all can latch on to, true capitalism at work here. choke off the money supply. It worked with NCAA/North Carolina, Fox News with advertisers pulling out. NRA should be made into the most detested organization.

And we all have a group of committed high schools students to thank for.
Love that line, call the AR-15 the Mark Rubio and hope that resonates.

#BoycottNRA: More companies are cutting ties with gun lobby as movement gains steam

Three major companies — Enterprise Holdings, First National Bank of Omaha and the cybersecurity giant Symantec — have ended co-branding partnerships with the National Rifle Association as a #BoycottNRA social media movement picks up steam.

Which means card carrying NRA members were getting discounts and preferential treatment. Hopefully more companies will follow and that the students movement attains similar power as the Women's March against sexual harassment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f6b26e21e9ba

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I agree that one person with a pistol is going to be at a deadly disadvantage trying to close with and shoot a person with an assault rifle. He'll probably lose something like 9 out of 10 times, or worse. What you want is SWAT guys, with smoke/gas grenades, gas masks, and assault rifles of their own. And you want at least 3 or 4 of them. A team like that would have decent odds of getting the guy without one of them getting shot.

So, we don't want armed teachers. We want a SWAT team in every school. So let's say we do that. Surprise! Suddenly the trend is crazy killers shooting up churches.

If the solution is SWAT teams, we're going to need them in schools, in churches, at theaters, concert halls, stadiums, in all our workplaces, restaurants, nightclubs, malls, parks, and in the residential areas.

Doesn't sound workable. Trying sounds like a way to turn society into a prison, all gates and checkpoints and guards.

I favor

1) making it harder for crazy killers to get guns, and the more deadly the gun the harder.

2) working harder to find crazy killers before they go off, and intervene.

3) Working tremendously hard to build a decent society characterized first and foremost by loving kindness, where the situations that twist people into crazy killers are abated, not fueled, by the prevalent memes and norms.

I don't want armed teachers either. I don't want anyone with any guns in any school. We don't live in a world where my wants make schools safer.

We don't need a SWAT team. Its not necessary. Right now, a school shooter has no fear. There's no deterrent there. We need to do what we've done at other public venues that have become targets: appropriately scale up security to counter and deter threats.

Detroit is a city that has lots of guns within the city limits - both legally owned and not legally owned. Detroit is a great example of why a discussion of ramping up gun control laws in the context of a school shooting discussion makes zero sense. You need a permit to purchase a handgun, a license to own one, and the owner is required to register the gun. Regardless, folks in Detroit who want to own guns are going to get them, legally or illegally.

In that environment, Detroit has done what needs to be done to make school campuses safer. More info here: http://detroitk12.org/admin/dpspd/ Does this go far enough? Maybe, maybe not. But with all of the guns floating around the city, we've had (thank God) no mass shooting incidents here in Detroit or the surrounding communities.

Your 3 solutions above - if implemented - would take years to show any results, and there's no certainly that they would be successful at all. A program like the Detroit's could be implemented at the discretion of the community and its leaders, would likely require no changes in existing laws, and in the current atmosphere it seems likely that most folks would be firmly behind such an effort.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Finally a solution we all can latch on to, true capitalism at work here. choke off the money supply. It worked with NCAA/North Carolina, Fox News with advertisers pulling out. NRA should be made into the most detested organization.

And we all have a group of committed high schools students to thank for.
Love that line, call the AR-15 the Mark Rubio and hope that resonates.

#BoycottNRA: More companies are cutting ties with gun lobby as movement gains steam



Which means card carrying NRA members were getting discounts and preferential treatment. Hopefully more companies will follow and that the students movement attains similar power as the Women's March against sexual harassment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f6b26e21e9ba

It wouldn't do jack shit to keep kids at schools safer, but I'm sure it would make you feel better.

[Pio1980]

The NRA got hijacked to La-La land with Chaz Heston's famous histrionic rant. They promote an unconstitutional unenforceable mantra of armed rebellion masquerading as "freedom", whatever that is supposed to be under the 2nd. Antonin Scalia somehow decided the Second grants individuals the right to a handgun at home for defense, full stop. Nothing else, the judicial paragon of the right defined that as your right under the second amendment, common sense, imo, but there is nothing in the Second that sez that.
Without the militia, the remnants of the Second are just a hodgepodge of unenforceable suppositions and assumptions. It's time to repeal and replace it with something sensible and definite.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

It wouldn't do jack shit to keep kids at schools safer, but I'm sure it would make you feel better.

And arming teachers would like the cop at the Parkland school?

BTW, this is not about what will make me feel better. I already feel a whole lot better after leaving Florida.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

It wouldn't do jack shit to keep kids at schools safer, but I'm sure it would make you feel better.

If every swingin' dick in America wasn't able to buy an assault rifle, the kids would be far safer. It's funny how when addressing the tens of thousands of gun deaths in the US, conservatives are willing to discuss everything but guns. Go figure.

[Oerets]

Taking this argument to the extreme, just arm the nation population and we wound not need police or an army. See jus thow weak their argument is.


Outlawing assault weapons and mags unless some sort of a buy back is implemented will be ineffective. So there is no way they will be outlawed until an event so horrendous happens. One would think this would be the case already but evidently is has not.

The owning possessing of all fire arms need be regulated and enforced. All transactions need be recorded and insurance be carried. Owner need training and a licensing at a standardized and equal level nation wide.



Barney

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

And arming teachers would like the cop at the Parkland school?

BTW, this is not about what will make me feel better. I already feel a whole lot better after leaving Florida.

Originally Posted by finnbow

If every swingin' dick in America wasn't able to buy an assault rifle, the kids would be far safer. It's funny how when addressing the tens of thousands of gun deaths in the US, conservatives are willing to discuss everything but guns. Go figure.

You're both ignoring post 214. I'm not advocating arming teachers.

Happy to talk about guns. But would rather talk about how to REALISTICALLY prevent kids from becoming targets at school.