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Old 06-17-2015, 10:06 AM
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The Davis-Bacon Act only applies to Federally-funded construction contracts, not to other Federal contracts, nor to construction projects in the private sector. All it does is increase the price of Federally-funded construction while confusing prospective bidders outside of the area in which the prevailing wage rate is determined.

A little research on the Davis-Bacon Act (or better yet, experience managing projects subject to it) is in order before one rails on about its wonderfulness. If a union work force in the construction industry resulted in increased productivity or quality commensurate with union wages, such laws would have no effect. However, with their ridiculous work rules, this ain't remotely true (and accounts, in part, for why the construction industry is 13% organized).
Except it doesn't stop there. It's just another pixel in the bigger picture.
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:08 PM
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Qatar World Cup construction projects.
Comparing a Mideast country where no citizen works (and without labor laws) with the US is a stretch.
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:09 PM
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Except it doesn't stop there. It's just another pixel in the bigger picture.
I don't buy into "camel's nose under the tent" arguments to defeat measures that should stand or fall on their own merits.
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Old 06-17-2015, 01:57 PM
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One doesn't outsource construction to other countries. A facility built in Beijing doesn't serve meet the demands of a customer who needs a facility built in Boston.
Don't be too sure.

California Turns To China For New Bay Bridge

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140515...new-bay-bridge


I really cannot fathom as to why Caltrans had to go to China to get the steel structure built. Besides, the bridge construction was still way over budget and delayed. Having said that, I am still not a fan of unions negotiating with governments. On the private sector, whatever works.
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:05 PM
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Don't be too sure.

California Turns To China For New Bay Bridge

http://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140515...new-bay-bridge


I really cannot fathom as to why Caltrans had to go to China to get the steel structure built. Besides, the bridge construction was still way over budget and delayed. Having said that, I am still not a fan of unions negotiating with governments. On the private sector, whatever works.
That has nothing to do with the Davis-Bacon Act. The Davis-Bacon Act does not impose American labor rates on foreign suppliers. Never has, never will. OTOH, the Buy American Act does would have compelled the use of American structural components, but this is not a Federally funded project.

I have nothing against the use of the Buy American Act for Federally-funded projects in the US. In fact, I strongly support it. OTOH, I have managed projects in Germany where we had Buy America provisions for inferior and more expensive American mechanical system components that arguably didn't meet local codes.

The Davis-Bacon Act is another kettle of fish altogether. It was passed in 1931 to keep contractors from bringing workers from the countryside to build projects in union-dominated big cities. Nowadays, it doesn't serve the public interest to give 13% of the construction industry (i.e., union contractors) a government-imposed advantage over the other 87% of construction contractors/workers, particularly when union contractors and their unions insist that they're cheaper due to efficiency, skill and safety. If that were indeed true, they wouldn't need an artificial advantage that drives up construction costs for the taxpayer.
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I'd like to know where Bernie stands on this issue.

And Elizabeth Warren too.

I trust them on economic issues.
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Old 06-17-2015, 02:55 PM
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I'd like to know where Bernie stands on this issue.

And Elizabeth Warren too.

I trust them on economic issues.
They, like all Democrats, support Davis-Bacon. They know where their bread is buttered.
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They, like all Democrats, support Davis-Bacon. They know where their bread is buttered.
I trust them more than I do you.

I haven't called you a bagger lately, but I still keep an eye on you.

You have gone over to the dark side on more than one occasion.

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I don't buy into "camel's nose under the tent" arguments to defeat measures that should stand or fall on their own merits.
I'd say it's much more than just a nose, Finn.
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They, like all Democrats, support Davis-Bacon. They know where their bread is buttered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis%E2%80%93Bacon_Act

Two Republican sponsors and signed by Hoover in '31.

How the hell did that happen?
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