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Originally Posted by BigElCat
By their fruits, they will be known.
But not saved.
For all I known, Ghandi could go to Hell, and John Wayne Gacy could go to Heaven.
It ain't up to me to judge anyone in any definitive way. There are certain people I'd like to avoid during my life, however. I make 'judgement call' decisions. .
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The doctrine of salvation looks like a con to me, of little practical value if it conveys a blanket forgiveness without practical redemption for the harm caused. A con in the sense that a sale based on a cosmic need that cannot be proven other than by taking someone's word without practical verification.
Ethical altruism as the Christian example has a meaningful demonstrable practical purpose in the here and now. Cosmic promises of pie in the sky by and by, not so much. Too many Christians in prison for violent crimes for the dogma to be proven an effective deterrent to abhorrent behavior.