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sanford12 01-14-2018 03:38 PM

Republicans don't even care if you know their lying
 
There's no surprise here but it's just a damn shame. They've sold their souls, morals, integrity to protect Trump after his vile shithole statement. They went from confirming it in private after the meeting to not hearing it to he didn't say it. The balless sycophants make Durbin and Graham look even better. I know it's an often-used phrase but I honestly don't know how they sleep at night. I don't know how their wives can stand to be around them. If I was one of their kids I would be ashamed to have him as my father.

Oerets 01-14-2018 04:51 PM

They have been lying to themselves for so long that truth is a long forgotten memory. The only things that matter to them is getting their way and by any means.

Have no shame or feelings of repentance, only shear arrogance and contempt of others not like them.



Barney

Wasillaguy 01-14-2018 05:40 PM

It was hilarious watching Anderson Cooper crying about the word "shithole".
Hey Cooper, that's not a chocolate starfish you're putting your penis in, it's a shithole!

ZeroJunk 01-14-2018 06:23 PM

Those countries are shit holes. If the people there don't like it maybe they should try doing something about it other than claiming they have the right to come to the U.S.

finnbow 01-14-2018 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 366309)
Those countries are shit holes. If the people there don't like it maybe they should try doing something about it other than claiming they have the right to come to the U.S.

The countries of Haiti, El Salvador and those in Africa aren't making such a claim, moron.

Rajoo 01-14-2018 09:03 PM

Politicians value power first and foremost and an elected office confers them power.

So their main objective is to get reelected and stay in power. End justifies the means including lying (Nunes), looking the other way or pretend it did not happen (most members of GOP congress) or try and deflect like Grassley.

And they are betting that their own electorates will have no memory come election time or they me pander on red meat issues, god, guns, gay, abortion, etc.

Rajoo 01-14-2018 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 366308)
It was hilarious watching Anderson Cooper crying about the word "shithole".
Hey Cooper, that's not a chocolate starfish you're putting your penis in, it's a shithole!

Cheap shot and the word in this context is a phrase.

ZeroJunk 01-14-2018 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366314)
The countries of Haiti, El Salvador and those in Africa aren't making such a claim, moron.

El Salvador ? Moron.

bobabode 01-14-2018 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 366308)
It was hilarious watching Anderson Cooper crying about the word "shithole".
Hey Cooper, that's not a chocolate starfish you're putting your penis in, it's a shithole!

Really, Was? I suggest you put a cork in it.

finnbow 01-14-2018 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 366320)
El Salvador ? Moron.

President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to several people briefed on the meeting.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...d94_story.html

Wasillaguy 01-14-2018 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rajoo (Post 366319)
Cheap shot and the word in this context is a phrase.

Guess I didn't get the memo. So we aren't doing cheap shots, and context matters now?

Wasillaguy 01-14-2018 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 366322)
Really, Was? I suggest you put a cork in it.

I suggest Cooper needs the cork, in both ends.

whell 01-15-2018 07:13 AM

Folks are going to believe what they want to believe and most folks around here want to believe that Trump made the "shit hole countries" comment.

Me? I actually read the story. Specifically, I read the line that has come to characterize the flimsy nature of reporting these days: "....according to several people briefed on the meeting." So, the article was sourced by people who weren't there.

Typical.

We then have six Senators in the room. Only Dick Durban has confirmed the "shit hole" comment. The others say that Trump didn't say it, or they didn't hear it. And then you have Dick Durbin who has a history of....ahem....exaggeration.

But you guys can believe what you want to believe.

barbara 01-15-2018 07:24 AM

In case you have not noticed.... Mr. Trump is the master of .....ahem... exaggeration.

finnbow 01-15-2018 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366329)
Folks are going to believe what they want to believe and most folks around here want to believe that Trump made the "shit hole countries" comment.

Me? I actually read the story. Specifically, I read the line that has come to characterize the flimsy nature of reporting these days: "....according to several people briefed on the meeting." So, the article was sourced by people who weren't there.

Typical.

We then have six Senators in the room. Only Dick Durban has confirmed the "shit hole" comment. The others say that Trump didn't say it, or they didn't hear it. And then you have Dick Durbin who has a history of....ahem....exaggeration.

But you guys can believe what you want to believe.

You conveniently forgot to mention Graham, as well as the fact that Trump called his buddies later that night bragging about his comment and its positive impact upon his base. Then you have the couple of gutless Senators who first said "I don't recall" and a day later said he didn't say it. Which is it, fellas?

whell 01-15-2018 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366331)
You conveniently forgot to mention Graham, ....

No. I know what Tim Scott said about a conversation with Graham. Scott wasn't at the meeting either.

finnbow 01-15-2018 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366332)
No. I know what Tim Scott said about a conversation with Graham. Scott wasn't at the meeting either.

And Flake, who said that Graham mentioned the shithole comment to him right after the meeting and before Durbin spoke out. Graham also said that he personally called out Trump for his comment during the meeting.

You constantly say that you're not a Trump defender, but you believe Trump, a guy who has lied over 2,000 times in the past year and has a history rife with racism, over Durbin, Graham, Flake and Scott. And lastly, there have been numerous reports that Trump called a number of his friends that night asserting that his comment would play well with his base.

A conservative columnist said President Trump called friends to brag after the meeting in which the president reportedly referred to Haiti, El Salvador and African nations as "shithole countries."

"It’s weird that people in the room don’t remember Trump using that word when Trump himself was calling friends to brag about it afterwards," Erick Erickson, who has in the past been critical of Trump, said in a tweet.

"I spoke to one of those friends. The President thought it would play well with the base."


http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...g-about-s-hole
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...stance-n837056

Hell, even the ultimate arbiters of conservative truth, Fox & Friends, agree that Trump made his shithole comments. That should put all arguments to bed.:rolleyes:

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/36...-comments-were

I guess you believe Lying Donnie Dotard when he says "I am the least racist person you have ever interviewed."

finnbow 01-15-2018 08:33 AM

And now Perdue and Cotton are using a semantic argument, saying that Trump said "shithouse" instead of "shithole," to support their assertion that he didn't make the reported comment.

White House official told me tonight there is debate internally on whether Trump said "shithole" or "shithouse." Perdue and Cotton seem to have heard latter, this person said, and are using to deny.

Josh Dawsey
WashPost White House Reporter

whell 01-15-2018 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366333)
You constantly say that you're not a Trump defender, but you believe Trump, a guy who has lied over 2,000 times in the past year and has a history rife with racism, over Durbin, Graham, Flake and Scott. "[/I]

I constantly comment on the reporting of all things Trump, which is of extremely low quality and rife with shoddy souring, third-party commentary, and innuendo. I have no idea what was said or not said in that meeting, and neither do you. But I certainly see what you've chosen to invest yourself in.

finnbow 01-15-2018 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366337)
I constantly comment on the reporting of all things Trump, which is of extremely low quality and rife with shoddy souring, third-party commentary, and innuendo. I have no idea what was said or not said in that meeting, and neither do you. But I certainly see what you've chosen to invest yourself in.

Durbin's and Graham's comments were not third-party and are fully consistent with other documented instances of racism by your Dear Leader, including (but not limited to): Federal lawsuit over housing discrimination, Central Park Five, Mexicans are rapists, Judge Curiel, Muslim Ban ...

Secondly, Flake and Scott saying that Graham told them of Trump's comments are first-party comments of what Graham said after the meeting. The bottom line - You chose to believe Trump over Durbin, Graham, Scott and Flake. Keep on doing so. It shows the darkness and depravity of your soul.

Pio1980 01-15-2018 09:49 AM

Trump had an easily tracked record for dishonesty, unethical business practices, and factual incredibly long before he became a political candidate.
Defending him as anything but what and who he is and always has been is both disingenuous and ridiculous.

whell 01-15-2018 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366338)
Durbin's and Graham's comments were not third-party and are fully consistent with other documented instances of racism by your Dear Leader, including (but not limited to): Federal lawsuit over housing discrimination, Central Park Five, Mexicans are rapists, Judge Curiel, Muslim Ban ...

Secondly, Flake and Scott saying that Graham told them of Trump's comments are first-party comments of what Graham said after the meeting. The bottom line - You chose to believe Trump over Durbin, Graham, Scott and Flake. Keep on doing so. It shows the darkness and depravity of your soul.

Durbin's record of less than honest comments doesn't inspire confidence. Graham hasn't confirmed one way or another what was said. Flake and Scott weren't in the meeting. Their characterization of what Graham did or didn't say are not terribly relevant, because we don't know what Graham said to them.

Your comments above show that you believe what you want to believe, not just about what goes on inside the beltway but also about comments made here. Here's exactly what I said about who I "believe":

I have no idea what was said or not said in that meeting, and neither do you.

You either are being purposefully dishonest, or you can't read. Frankly, I don't know which and I really don't care.

finnbow 01-15-2018 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366357)
Durbin's record of less than honest comments doesn't inspire confidence...

And Trump's does???

Chicks 01-15-2018 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366357)
I have no idea what was said or not said in that meeting, and neither do you.

You either are being purposefully dishonest, or you can't read. Frankly, I don't know which and I really don't care.

And you are being intellectually dishonest to yourself. C'mon, man, you really aren't as stupid as Zero, there's hope for you yet! What the hell is it that triggered your hatred for real journalism?

whell 01-15-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366358)
And Trump's does???

That's essentially the point. We're left with not knowing what really happened because the folks involved are all agenda driven, are all willing to say or not say whatever they need to in service to that agenda, and none have a great track record with unabated honesty.

So, right back to my earlier post. Folks are going to believe what they want to believe. Me? I don't believe the media reporting on this, but I don't think we know what was said in that meeting and exclusively taking Durbin's word for it is a non-starter.

finnbow 01-15-2018 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366360)
That's essentially the point. We're left with not knowing what really happened because the folks involved are all agenda driven, are all willing to say or not say whatever they need to in service to that agenda, and none have a great track record with unabated honesty.

Durbin has perhaps told a lie or two in the past years (he is a politician, after all), whereas Trump has told 2,000 in the past year and has a history of frequent racist statements. Furthermore, Flake, Scott, and Graham have no such history. Also, Trump's two Senate defenders said they couldn't recall what was said in the meeting before they affirmatively asserted a day later that they could. Lastly, Trump first tweet after the meeting admitted he used nasty language and still held the racist sentiments that led to his nasty statement.

The bottom line is that your Dear Leader has a long history of racist statements and has long been viewed by most non-sycophantic Americans as a vile, disgusting, racist human being. But, Neo-Nazis and the KKK continue to love and praise him. You're in good company.

whell 01-15-2018 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366362)
Durbin has perhaps told a lie or tow in the past years, whereas Trump has told 2,000 in the past year and has a history of frequent racist statements. Furthermore, Flake, Scott, and Graham have no such history. Also, Trump's two Senate defenders said they couldn't recall what was said in the meeting before they affirmatively asserted a day later that they could. Lastly, Trump first tweet after the meeting admitted he used nasty language and still held the racist sentiments that led to his nasty statement.

There you go again. Since when is pushing for a merit based immigration system "racist"? Flake and Scott, and probably Graham, are much closer to each other than they are to Trump on loose immigration policy which likely colors some of their comments, particularly Flake.

You go ahead and believe what you want to believe.

finnbow 01-15-2018 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366367)
There you go again. Since when is pushing for a merit based immigration system "racist"? Flake and Scott, and probably Graham, are much closer to each other than they are to Trump on loose immigration policy which likely colors some of their comments, particularly Flake.

You go ahead and believe what you want to believe.

It isn't racist. Trump is undoubtedly so, however, and decent people are concerned he will use his racist views to inform his policy. Decent people (which excludes Trump and his apologists) don't believe that merit is race-based, but are justifiably concerned that Trump does. In the words of conservative Michael Gerson:

The claim that America needs more Norwegian immigrants and fewer Africans from “shithole countries” is racist. It is not the same as arguing for a higher-skilled immigrant pool. That argument might go something like: “We need a higher-skilled immigrant pool.”...

On this issue, Trump has not earned a single benefit of the doubt. His racial demagoguery in the Central Park Five case . . . his attribution of Kenyan citizenship to Barack Obama . . . his references to Mexican migrants as rapists and murderers . . . his unconstitutional attempt at a Muslim ban . . . his moral equivocation following the deadly protests in Charlottesville . . . his statement, reported by the New York Times, that Nigerians would never “go back to their huts” after seeing America . . . all of these constitute an elaborate pattern of bigotry. Trump makes off-hand racist comments, he promotes racist stereotypes and he incites racism as a political strategy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...98a_story.html

bobabode 01-15-2018 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366372)
It isn't racist. Trump is undoubtedly so, however, and decent people are concerned he will use his racist views to inform his policy. Decent people (which excludes Trump and his apologists) don't believe that merit is race-based, but are justifiably concerned that Trump does. In the words of conservative Michael Gerson:

The claim that America needs more Norwegian immigrants and fewer Africans from “shithole countries” is racist. It is not the same as arguing for a higher-skilled immigrant pool. That argument might go something like: “We need a higher-skilled immigrant pool.”...

On this issue, Trump has not earned a single benefit of the doubt. His racial demagoguery in the Central Park Five case . . . his attribution of Kenyan citizenship to Barack Obama . . . his references to Mexican migrants as rapists and murderers . . . his unconstitutional attempt at a Muslim ban . . . his moral equivocation following the deadly protests in Charlottesville . . . his statement, reported by the New York Times, that Nigerians would never “go back to their huts” after seeing America . . . all of these constitute an elaborate pattern of bigotry. Trump makes off-hand racist comments, he promotes racist stereotypes and he incites racism as a political strategy.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...98a_story.html

Gerson nailed it to the barn door. I can't believe that anyone is trying to argue otherwise. :(

finnbow 01-15-2018 10:11 PM

Here's the well-sourced skinny on the "shithole" meeting and the politics surrounding it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...98a_story.html

bobabode 01-15-2018 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366376)
Here's the well-sourced skinny on the "shithole" meeting and the politics surrounding it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...98a_story.html

Looks like teabum Kevin McCarthy is Dotard Trump's handler/wet nurse these days. Trump wants a DACA fix, Kevin gets wind of it and gathers up his cornpone posse and rides to the rescue.

Of course, Dotard can't keep a stable thought in his disease ridden brain for more than a couple of minutes.

So then the adults, Durbin and Graham show up to ink the compromise offer and 'Deadbeat' Donnie once again changes his mind and starts mumbling about why we don't have more blonde haired, blue eyed, square headed Norwegians wanting to immigrate to Duh' Merica.

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, I give up.

Maybe Presiderp Drumpfenfurher will order an atomic strike on Minnesota next?

finnbow 01-15-2018 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 366377)
Maybe Presiderp Drumpfenfurher will order an atomic strike on Minnesota next?

Nah, two many Norwegians, Swedes and Germans there. He'll nuke Memphis.;)

bobabode 01-15-2018 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366378)
Nah, two many Norwegians, Swedes and Germans there. He'll nuke Memphis.;)

or Atlanta. :rolleyes: This ol' hippie is considering buying David Frum's new book, 'Trumpocracy' and I also find myself nodding in agreement with Gerson and Jennifer Rubin, of all people, Christ almighty! :confused:

Chicks 01-15-2018 11:14 PM

Watching GOP Sen Jeff Flake confirm to Ms Amanpour that Sen Durbin’s account is exactly what he heard from attendees before it was in the news. Flake is infinitely more credible than Donny.

whell 01-16-2018 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366372)
It isn't racist. Trump is undoubtedly so, however, and decent people are concerned he will use his racist views to inform his policy. Decent people (which excludes Trump and his apologists) don't believe that merit is race-based, but are justifiably concerned that Trump does. In the words of conservative Michael Gerson:

There you go again. Folks will believe what they want to believe, and to support your position you go get a quote from "conservative" Gerson, glossing over the fact that Gerson is an ardent anti-Trumper. You could have stopped with your first sentence, but you chose to bury your first sentence in an anti-Trump rant.

Its apparently more important to the folks that want an immigration status quo to attack the administration attempting to modify the status quo than it is to have a debate about merit based immigration (or any changes to the current system for that matter. To me, this is a waste of time and unproductive. Trump's not going anywhere. I suspect you might have figured this out after a year. So, there's a choice to be made. Either spend the next 3 years pursuing something that isn't going to happen, or try to get some things done.

There are some opportunities with immigration. There are actual areas of agreement between both parties. For example. I think both parties want a solution to the so called Dreamers issue. No one want to see kids put at risk. But, I don't think its irresponsible to similarly prioritize border security.

I think some folks need to grow up. This includes the folks that may have made distasteful comments in the setting of a private discussion, the folks that either leaked the comments to leaked a salacious version of those comments in support of their own agenda, or folks who obsess about those alleged comments in the extreme.

finnbow 01-16-2018 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366381)
Its apparently more important to the folks that want an immigration status quo to attack the administration attempting to modify the status quo than it is to have a debate about merit based immigration (or any changes to the current system for that matter.

Lying Donnie Dotard blew up the bipartisan attempt to come to a solution to the immigration problem after saying that he would sign what the attendees of the Tuesday meeting came up with. He deliberately sandbagged Durbin and Graham at the "shithole" meeting by making it crystal clear that race must be a factor in determining merit under his "merit-based" system. That is something Durbin and Graham, to their credit, simply could not abide.

With your stubborn desire to deny Trump's obvious racism, I recommend you read this history of his racist statements and actions:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...mp-racist.html

whell 01-16-2018 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366382)
Lying Donnie Dotard blew up the bipartisan attempt to come to a solution to the immigration problem after saying that he would sign what the attendees of the Tuesday meeting came up with. He deliberately sandbagged Durbin and Graham at the "shithole" meeting by making it crystal clear that race must be a factor in determining merit under his "merit-based" system. That is something Durbin and Graham, to their credit, simply could not abide.

With your stubborn desire to deny Trump's obvious racism, I recommend you read this history of his racist statements and actions:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...mp-racist.html

Right back to it, eh Finn? Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5lcART6TTE

None of this is relevant, of course, to the need to address border security or immigration reform, which is the point I'm making but the point you want to ignore. But you keep believing what you want to believe.

finnbow 01-16-2018 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366384)
Right back to it, eh Finn? Here you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5lcART6TTE

None of this is relevant, of course, to the need to address border security or immigration reform, which is the point I'm making but the point you want to ignore. But you keep believing what you want to believe.

And you continue to miss the point - Trump's insistence upon race as a determining factor in "merit-based" immigration. That's what this whole brouhaha is about, dimwit.

whell 01-16-2018 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 366386)
And you continue to miss the point - Trump's insistence upon race as a determining factor in "merit-based" immigration. That's what this whole brouhaha is about, dimwit.

Only if you lap up as "fact" the claims of Dick Durban, dimwit. That puts you squarely in the position of believing someone who is a snake and a liar over someone who you also claim is a snake and a liar. And if that's how fragile your house of cards is built, I pity you.

finnbow 01-16-2018 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 366395)
Only if you lap up as "fact" the claims of Dick Durban, dimwit. That puts you squarely in the position of believing someone who is a snake and a liar over someone who you also claim is a snake and a liar. And if that's how fragile your house of cards is built, I pity you.

There is simply nobody in the history of American politics remotely as dishonest and unethical as your Dear Leader. Durbin is accused of one lie in 2013, whereas Trump has lied a documented 2,000 times in the past year.


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