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Dondilion 02-16-2016 09:42 AM

Video:Carrier employees reaction to their layoff, jobs moving to Mexico.
 
The linked video shows the reaction of the Carrier workers to the news that their jobs are going to Mexico.

Additionally Cenk Uygur offers some insights:

The company, United Tech did not have to do that -
It made big profits.
It got a lot of incentives from government.

The government has leverage which it has not used.
United has billions of Federal contracts.

My personal view: I am appalled by the lack of grass roots reaction from people and the Dems in particular.


Well, well, the sucking sound continues. :mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3-s72NToTw

Oerets 02-17-2016 07:13 AM

What?? Indiana went "Right to Work""(for less). Just goes to show what happens when you weaken Unions.

BTW.... I lost a great job at GTE in 82 to Mexico. This has been going on for a long time.

Barney

Dondilion 02-17-2016 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 302260)
What?? Indiana went "Right to Work""(for less). Just goes to show what happens when you weaken Unions.

BTW.... I lost a great job at GTE in 82 to Mexico. This has been going on for a long time.

Barney

But the Democratic Party which is supposed to be the "Union Party" is a pussy.

It has no street credibility. Not even a demonstration...some civil disobedience...waving of flag and occupation of an office or two.

Boreas 02-17-2016 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 302274)
But the Democratic Party which is supposed to be the "Union Party" is a pussy.

It has no street credibility. Not even a demonstration...some civil disobedience...waving of flag and occupation of an office or two.

What do you mean by "Democratic Party"? Do you mean the rank and file Democratic voters or elected Democratic legislators? Which of these groups should be occupying what offices?

Dondilion 02-17-2016 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 302276)
What do you mean by "Democratic Party"? Do you mean the rank and file Democratic voters or elected Democratic legislators? Which of these groups should be occupying what offices?

Demonstrations organized by elected members and or officials of the party.

Tom Joad 02-17-2016 09:59 AM

"Now Main Street's whitewashed windows and vacant stores
Seems like there ain't nobody wants to come down here no more
They're closing down the textile mill across the railroad tracks
Foreman says these jobs are going boys and they ain't coming back,
to your hometown"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6LABdHtkUA

Boreas 02-17-2016 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 302277)
Demonstrations organized by elected members and or officials of the party.

Um.... wow.

donquixote99 02-17-2016 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 302279)
Um.... wow.

Your reaction shows how unaccustomed we are to the very idea of a activist leftist party that mobilizes popular support as a source of power.

Boreas 02-17-2016 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 302284)
Your reaction shows how unaccustomed we are to the very idea of a activist leftist party that mobilizes popular support as a source of power.

No, it shows a reluctance to accept the legitimacy of elected representatives or appointed party officials organizing riots and illegal occupations of private property.

We already saw that in Florida back in 2000.

Dondilion 02-17-2016 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 302288)
No, it shows a reluctance to accept the legitimacy of elected representatives or appointed party officials organizing riots and illegal occupations of private property.

We already saw that in Florida back in 2000.

There are peaceful and non violent ways available to protesters which can be used to galvanize public opinion.

However the Democratic leadership is aloof to the serious issues affecting its union class especially the class associated with manufacturing.

With NAFTA and now TPP, the leadership is saying why get involve with job retaining issues.

Boreas 02-17-2016 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 302295)
There are peaceful and non violent ways available to protesters which can be used to galvanize public opinion.

However the Democratic leadership is aloof to the serious issues affecting its union class especially the class associated with manufacturing.

With NAFTA and now TPP, the leadership is saying why get involve with job retaining issues.

My beef is with your proposed response.

Dondilion 02-17-2016 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 302304)
My beef is with your proposed response.

Well let me expand.

Peaceful demonstration, peaceful sit in. An elected representative gets arrested. :D

Boreas 02-17-2016 01:25 PM

That's our job, not the politicians'.

bobabode 02-17-2016 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 302274)
But the Democratic Party which is supposed to be the "Union Party" is a pussy.

It has no street credibility. Not even a demonstration...some civil disobedience...waving of flag and occupation of an office or two.

Channeling the 'Donald'?

donquixote99 02-17-2016 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 302308)
That's our job, not the politicians'.

Civil disobedience not respectable?

Dondilion 02-17-2016 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 302309)
Channeling the 'Donald'?

.

Did not even remember that he used it. Just a fitting description.

BTW the Dems, by appearing to be less than vigorous, are surrendering such worker issues to a demagogue like Trump.

Boreas 02-17-2016 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 302311)
Civil disobedience not respectable?

Of course it's respectable, or at least it can be. That isn't the point. Our job is to call attention to injustice and demand remedies. As our elected representatives, the politicians' responsibility is to heed our demands and create the necessary legislation.

Dindillion's post, the one I took exception to, would have politicians and party officials directly agitating and urging riotous behavior and the illegal occupation of public property. That would be equivalent to, for instance, the RNC urging the Bundys to occupy Malheur.

Dondilion 02-17-2016 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 302318)
Of course it's respectable, or at least it can be. That isn't the point. Our job is to call attention to injustice and demand remedies. As our elected representatives, the politicians' responsibility is to heed our demands and create the necessary legislation.

Dindillion's post, the one I took exception to, would have politicians and party officials directly agitating and urging riotous behavior and the illegal occupation of public property. That would be equivalent to, for instance, the RNC urging the Bundys to occupy Malheur.

My expansion did not imply riotous behavior...the word peaceful is everywhere.
Illegal sit in, yes! But PEACEFUL.

Boreas 02-17-2016 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 302321)
My expansion did not imply riotous behavior...the word peaceful is everywhere.
Illegal sit in, yes! But PEACEFUL.

No, not "everywhere". For instance, not in the post I originally cited.

The Malheur occupation was "peaceful".

Dondilion 02-17-2016 03:37 PM

Nothing riotous about this. Here elected officials break the law PEACEFULLY.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nyc-coun...est-1433365026

Oerets 02-17-2016 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 302274)
But the Democratic Party which is supposed to be the "Union Party" is a pussy.

It has no street credibility. Not even a demonstration...some civil disobedience...waving of flag and occupation of an office or two.



The Indy Dems have a hard time getting the message out. Fought the long hard fight against ""Right To Work"" and lost. Fought hard against School vouchers again lost. Been losing local and state elections so are in a state of flux right now. The people want to believe the Repubs fairy tales of mythical job creators. Problem now is in what country they are created in.



Barney

Dondilion 02-17-2016 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 302328)
The Indy Dems have a hard time getting the message out. Fought the long hard fight against ""Right To Work"" and lost. Fought hard against School vouchers again lost. Been losing local and state elections so are in a state of flux right now. The people want to believe the Repubs fairy tales of mythical job creators. Problem now is in what country they are created in.



Barney

On this particular issue the Indy Dems need help from above. But those above are wearing two hats.

A way to get help is by taking peacefully to the streets with civil disobedience
to draw attention and embarrass the powers that be into some action.

I note where Carrier has huge federal contracts.

Oerets 02-17-2016 04:53 PM

The vast majority of the workforce have been brainwashed. Thinking good paying union jobs are the reason they are being underpaid. Told, look at those lazy overpaid union guys who can't get fired need to taken down. Not that you need to brought up to the union scale.

This is a slow process taking many years to come to this point. Every time we pay a bill online go thru the self checkout lane order online more people lose jobs that will never come back.


Barney

MrPots 02-17-2016 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 302278)
"Now Main Street's whitewashed windows and vacant stores
Seems like there ain't nobody wants to come down here no more
They're closing down the textile mill across the railroad tracks
Foreman says these jobs are going boys and they ain't coming back,
to your hometown"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6LABdHtkUA

Da boss sang about it while the rest of us were pretending nothing was happening.

Tom Joad 02-18-2016 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 302357)
Da boss sang about it while the rest of us were pretending nothing was happening.

Yep, that song came out in 1983.

That shows you how long we have been in decline.

nailer 02-18-2016 09:48 AM

Billy Joel in '82.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHnJp0oyOxs

Boreas 02-18-2016 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 302378)
Yep, that song came out in 1983.

That shows you how long we have been in decline.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 302388)

Gee, who was president then?

Dondilion 02-18-2016 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 302378)
Yep, that song came out in 1983.

That shows you how long we have been in decline.

Damn! Time really flies.

1983 The third year of Reagan first term and 11 years after Nixon went to China.

nailer 02-18-2016 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 302390)
Gee, who was president then?

Travis Bickle.

Tom Joad 02-18-2016 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 302396)
Travis Bickle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpJOxbaC8YU

nailer 02-18-2016 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 302472)

Cybil Shepard was so hot back then.


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