Ford CEO: U.S. plant expansion is 'vote of confidence' in Trump
 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/03/news...ump/index.html

Ford is canceling plans to build a new plant in Mexico. It will invest $700 million in Michigan instead, creating 700 new U.S. jobs.

...but Finn doesn't think any of this is "sustainable". :rolleyes:

Smoke and mirrors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/02/op...ml?ref=opinion

Big industry recognizes full well that the way to Trump's heart is (insincere) flattery. Give him credit for what you're planning to do anyway and he'll sing your praises (until you do something he doesn't like and he'll compare you to the devil). Details of the Carrier deal still haven't been released and the SoftBank deal was culminated a month before the election. BTW, Ford still intends to expand its manufacturing in Mexico, announcing at the same time that the next-generation Ford Focus will be built at an existing facility there to save on costs.

The only thing sustainable here is Trump taking credit for stuff he has nothing to do with and your willingness to buy into his attention-grabbing BS.

Finn's flailing continues.

Item One: In an effort to counter a post about news from today, Finn posts an OPINION piece from yesterday.

Item Two: Finn says "The only thing sustainable here is Trump taking credit for stuff he has nothing to do with." Of course, Trump took no credit for Ford's decision to change its Mexico plans. No evidence that Finn read the CNN-Money article I posted, but if he did, he might have seen the following:

Ford (F) CEO Mark Fields said the investment is a "vote of confidence" in the pro-business environment being created by Donald Trump. However, he stressed Ford did not do any sort of special deal with the president-elect.

"We didn't cut a deal with Trump. We did it for our business," Fields told CNN's Poppy Harlow in an exclusive interview Tuesday.

In other words, Trump was not involved directly or indirectly in the decision - making process. Ford's CEO, however, did cite the anticipation of a better business climate under Trump as part of their decision-making process. So, Finn, this was not like Carrier in any way, so you'll need to explain why you chose to reference it in this thread.

Item 3: Once again, for a non-Democrat, Finn fearlessly recycles Dem talking points, even when they don't apply. :rolleyes:

Flattery and advertising on Ford's part. They are catching on.

Then, why his tweet "@DanScavino: Ford to scrap Mexico plant, invest in Michigan due to Trump policies" when Trump has implemented exactly zero policies thus far? It takes a special kind of stupid to believe that Ford made a $1.6 billion dollar business decision based upon one of many mendacious Trump campaign promises. They only thing they knew for certain is that they could give Trump a big woody by flattering him and giving him credit for something he had nothing to do with.

You're the one who brought up my "unsustainable" comment made in reference to the Carrier deal (the details of which still have not been made public, BTW). It remains to be seen if the Trump administration is successful in creating jobs at a pace equal to that of Obama. Time will tell.

I guess I'm just a bit more skeptical than you or Joad when it comes to reveling in the Wonders of Trump. Given his proclivity to lie and take credit for anything positive, a healthy dose of skepticism is warranted. Your attempts to convince the rest of us take Trump's self-serving claims at face value (like you obviously have) is highly entertaining though.

PT Barnum was talking about you when he said, "There's a Sucker born every minute".

It's going to eat you up inside when Trump takes office and starts doing good shit.

I'm gonna enjoy watching your meltdown.:)

Trump will be in breach of contract with GSA on his DC hotel the instant he's inaugurated. It'll be fun to watch what happens there.

FWIW, I've never once clicked on one of your youtube links and don't plan to.

Well Pin a Rose on Your Nose. :)

The answers are out there if you care to look. For example:

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/bu...rump.html?_r=0

But the moves raise questions about how competitive the country’s auto industry can be if its manufacturing options shrink in Mexico, and what the implications will be for consumers. For now, at least, some executives are praising Mr. Trump’s economic plans.

“We are encouraged by the pro-growth plans that President-elect Trump and the new Congress indicate they will pursue,” Mark Fields, Ford’s chief executive, said at an event on Tuesday.

That same article cites a recognition of the fact that Trump has a sensitivity to off shoring jobs.

That's because you've used that term rather gloabally to refer to Trump's efforts to retain jobs. However, if Trump equals Obama's pace at creating or retaining jobs, particularly the type of jobs created in the past 8 years, I think Trump's presidency will be regarded as a failure.

Everyone is skeptical. And no one is yet "reveling in the wonders of Trump". But the left has become absolutely unhinged since the election, and the mindless hatred on left at Trump is glaring. As evidence, it's difficult to find much in the media, certainly not in this thread, that indicates happiness about 700 jobs being created in Michigan. By contrast, Obama and company kept telling us "those jobs aren't coming back", we should accept this as the new normal, and government retraining was a worker's best hope.

Needs more straw, Mike.

Except you, Tom Joad, and ZeroJunk - the 3 Musketeers of Trump sycophancy. In fact, you all look so very cute in your cheerleader outfits.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp...ds-750x400.png

...and Trumpolini stiffed those little girls. Stay kkklassy Donnie. :rolleyes:

The two of you ran out of gas - including having much of substance to post - on election night, and these two posts demonstrate that sad truth.

You call the dreck you've been posting here "substantial"?

OK, that's some pretty funny shit there, Mike. :D

The guy who calls real news fake news and defends every boastful idiocy emanating from der Trumpenfuhrer criticizes others for lack of substance.:confused: That's some funny shit there, yo. Are you hoping for an ambassadorship to South Sudan or Uzbekistan?

Two more posts where the respondents want to make the thread about me, rather than the good news about what Ford is doing. Nothing new here folks. Let's move along.

[QUOTE=finnbow;343303]Except you, Tom Joad, and ZeroJunk - the 3 Musketeers of Trump sycophancy. In fact, you all look so very cute in your cheerleader outfits.


If someone had told me a few months ago that the Democrats would one day be acting more batshit crazy than the T-Party I would have laughed at them.

But here we are.

Congratulations Idiots.

You've broken the Baggers bat shit crazy record by a country mile, and Trump hasn't even taken office. It looks like the sky is the limit for you Dudes!

What has occurred in this thread is that you have shown your gullibility about what just occurred in Michigan. Ford decides to expand its efforts on electric and self-driving vehicles in Michigan to the tune of 700 new jobs while it cancelled plans to build another factory in Mexico to build more Focus small cars (instead modestly increasing the production of the Focus at another Mexican factory by adding 200 jobs there). The reason for cancelling the new Mexican plant was reduced demand for the Focus, allowing them to meet the projected demand without investing $1.6 billion in the new plant.

These (mutually independent) decisions were made 3 weeks before Trump becomes President and months to years before any meaningful tax changes or import tariffs (illegal under NAFTA, BTW) could be passed and implemented (if passed at all). The contents and likelihood of passage of any such changes is unknown, as are their impacts upon Ford. Yet, Ford chooses to flatter Trump by saying that his policies had something to do with their decision (just as the SoftBank CEO did earlier), knowing that they could thereby curry Trump's favor (without doing anything they didn't plan to do anyway). Trump tweets about his responsibility for Ford's decision and you buy it, hook, line and sinker.

How's that for substance?

Your "substance" is nothing that couldn't have been gleaned from the article I posted, with the exception of the "flattery" angle which is just a rehash of old, tired crap. So, your "substance" may simply be evidence that you finally decided to go back and read what I originally posted.

Your focus in the flattery angle is fine if you want to engage in the lightweight end of the debate. But I think Mark Fields pretty publicly dispensed with that when he specifically said that Trump was not involved in the decision-making process.

You'd have to be a freaking village idiot (or an avowed lefty) to look at the history of this and exclude Trump as an influence. Whether, as Mark Fields indicated, its a belief in the development of a more business - friendly climate, or specifically targeting Ford with his comments following the Ford's announcement to build the Mexico plant, there was certainly some influence. "Substance" would be a discussion about the merits or risks of this type of influence.

Also, I think you've got the details regarding the production of the Ford Focus wrong. Demand for the Focus - which was HUGE when the vehicle was first introduced - has been tapering off for a while now, but its still selling pretty well. The Focus remains and important vehicle for Ford because it can be sold world wide, and because its a good "entry level" vehicle domestically.

Ford had previously announced its intentions to move ALL of its small car production - which includes the Focus - to Mexico. That's what the new plant in Mexico was for. Monday's announcement will keep the production of Ford Focus vehicles bound for the US market in Flat Rock, MI where they are currently being produced. The current Mexican plant will continue to product Ford Focus vehicles intended for the export market, and the workforce there will to support production for the export market.

Once again a move is made that has little to do with Trump, beyond a top executive commenting that his company has "confidence" in the president-elect and policies that have as yet to become law, and out come the brass bands and fireworks to celebrate the new king and his glorious reign.

This is easily the best entertainment I've had since gleeful Republicans informed me that Reagan had "ended Communism".

I love you guys, you truly are a hoot.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...lays/96134996/

Ford Motor Co. already got the message. As part of a sweeping announcement detailing the company’s vision for next-generation mobility, the Blue Oval said it is canceling plans to build a new assembly plant in Mexico. Trump openly criticized the plan throughout his campaign, even as senior Ford officials publicly defended the decision as recently as last month.

Instead, as part of a $4.5 billion investment in electrification and self-driving vehicles, Ford will invest $700 million in its Flat Rock Assembly Plant, create 700 jobs, establish a Manufacturing Innovation Center and produce electrified versions of its iconic F-150 pickup and Mustang sports car in Michigan.

The decisions are a political win for Trump and Vice President-elect Mike Pence, who were briefed separately by phone on Ford’s plans earlier Tuesday by Executive Chairman Bill Ford Jr. and CEO Mark Fields. Trump’s Build America rhetoric on the campaign trail powered his victory in the industrial Midwest, put American businesses like Ford and GM, Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin Corp. on notice and could redraw the heartland electoral map to favor Republicans.

In other words, yes, Trump did have an impact. Yes, it is a "win" for Michigan in particular.

On the other hand, Trump's strategy is not without risks, but companies like Ford are reacting to it, so far in favorable ways. But other folks, including editors at the Det News, are noticing.

Glad you're entertained by all this, Dave.

Bully Pulpit.

Google it.

Well, some Mexicans certainly think Trump has had something to do with all this:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...01-04-14-45-38

Two weeks before inauguration, the scuttling of the planned Ford factory and Trump's pressure on General Motors should be a "much-needed wake-up call," said Mexico analyst Alejandro Hope.

It shows "how much actual leverage Trump has within specific companies, which is far greater than what Mexican elites thought until recently," Hope said. "They claimed that at the end of the day economic interests would prevail over political messaging. That's clearly not the case."

In an editorial, El Universal also recalled the deal Trump struck in December with Carrier to keep 800 of 1,300 jobs at an Indiana furnace factory from being sent to Mexico, in return for millions of dollars in tax incentives. It also implicitly criticized the Mexican government's response to the incoming administration.

"Mexico loses thousands of jobs with no word on a clear strategy for confronting the next U.S. government which has presented itself as protectionist and, especially, anti-Mexican," the paper wrote. "Trump will try to recover as many U.S. companies that have set up in Mexico as possible. He will try to make them return at whatever cost, through threats or using public resources."

The flattery angle is the whole story outside of Flat Rock, MI. Ford deciding to create 700 jobs there when the American economy is generating 200K jobs per month, year after year, isn't news worthy of national discussion were it not for Trump claiming credit and Ford choosing to flatter him. Got to hand it to Trump for claiming credit for something he had nothing to do with and the press running with it. OTOH, this, above anything else you've posted, belongs in your fake news thread.

Good lord, you still have the facts wrong, particularly about what's happening in Flat Rock. Go back and look at post 23.

700 jobs is 700 jobs. That will not have much affect on the entire country. It is nice that MI Goppers will have more workers to exploit and feed leaded water to I reckon. :rolleyes:


Carl

It amuses me how conservatives cheer Trump as he runs around like some third world soci@list autocrat claiming that job creation or preservation is a result of his actions. Should we saddle him with the 10K job losses Macy's just announced?

Yup. all Trumps fault. :mad:

Damn right. It's payback for crossing him.

Let that be a lesson for anyone out there considering going against him.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/politi...d-trump-macys/

Yeh, I'm sure it's a lack of Trump merchandise that caused the problem. Damn, you're as stupid and impressionable as Whell.

And it took only about 6 months.

Probably Macy should just swallow its pride and restock with Trump's merchandise. :D

Yea, this is the kind of government you want. All hail the fuhrer..or die.....:mad:

Trump: Now Ford can build Focus in U.S.; Ford: That makes no sense

Hey, Trumpkins! Donny's a moron. Ford says so.

Where the heck are the vocal Trumpkins? Finally came to their senses?

https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...us/1250457002/

Went back and read the first couple pages of this oh-so-typical Whellian thread. These three clowns must be SO embarrassed by now, no wonder they've gone into hiding. Idiots all.

JFC!!!
Has this crap show really been running two years?
Donny, fucking die already.

The Associated Press @AP
BREAKING: GM is slashing 14,700 factory and white collar jobs in North America; may close five factories.
7:34 AM · Nov 26, 2018 · SocialFlow

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MAGA! :rolleyes: