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MrPots 12-14-2016 08:33 AM

I'm curious why there is such an uproar over fake news but complete silence on all of the lies and fabrications uttered by politicians during elections. Why do we allow politicians, police and government to lie but condemn civilians for the practice. Why do we allow this double standard?

We're an odd animal for sure.

donquixote99 12-14-2016 08:53 AM

Citizens are not to blame for 'fake news.' Propagandists are. In's on behalf of political interests.

What you think are 'citizens' are shills, with bots employed to 'comment' and share. The going viral business isn't left to chance.

nailer 12-14-2016 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341813)
He won't and shouldn't. He's basically saying to the GOP Congress and Trump "either you support our intelligence agencies or Russia. Which is it?"

The GOP has been running on an anti government since 1980 and has seen significant success. Trump won as an anti establishment candidate, he's not going to stop now and this is a constituency safe issue. In the overall scheme of things it's a tempest in a teapot.

donquixote99 12-14-2016 09:56 AM

Except with the foreign element, Trump's position could sour from anti-government to anti-USA. That would not be so constituency-safe.

Rajoo 12-14-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 341925)
Except with the foreign element, Trump's position could sour from anti-government to anti-USA. That would not be so constituency-safe.

But who is going to fight him or the GOP?
Funny that people here were predicting the utter destruction of the GOP but since this election, it's the Democratic Party that is in shambles, total absence of leadership with the losers Schumer and Pelosi ensconced at the head of the table on two ends.

donquixote99 12-14-2016 10:53 AM

Lack of unity on the left is not good, but it's all too typical, except when there is an unusually strong leader to rally the troops.

whell 12-14-2016 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341896)
Your argument still does not render this article or any of the other Times or Post article "fake news." You can argue with the semantics the authors used, some conclusions drawn, but not the facts contained therein....

If the facts presented are in dispute - such as the assertion that the hacks were "directed by the Kremlin", then of course you can argue with the facts. When something is published as a fact by a publication as august as the New York Times...ahem... but is not substantiated, then it is fake news.

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341896)
Yet again, this point is irrelevant (and inadmissible in a court of law for you so worried about standards of evidence).

There you go again. I've never stated that I was "worried about standards of evidence", but you've suggested twice now that I was. Why are you pushing this falsehood? Emulating the NY Times maybe? :eek:

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341896)
These were private communications stolen by Russia with the intent of influencing/disrupting the election.

Yes, but we still don't know exactly who in Russia or why they did it, do we?

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341896)
Moreover, on what basis to these folks "deserve" to be hacked? Because they were running against Trump? It seems you and Putin share this belief.

Do we really need to rehash this? They weren't just running against Trump, they were running against one of their own - Bernie Sanders. They knew they weren't supposed to pick sides, but they did. Karma's a bitch.

whell 12-14-2016 11:21 AM

By the way Finn: one of your favorites, David Brock (a.k.a. poster boy for unhinged lefties everywhere), hates what the media is up to.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...n-media-232562

Brock, an edgy former Clinton hunter-turned-defender, is expressing an opinion increasingly being shared by many on Clinton’s campaign team: They shouldn’t have bothered to defend the endless and endlessly damaging email story – they should have refused to defend it all and pivoted to a harsh, attention-grabbing attack on her real opponent: the press.

But Brock does provide insight on the strategy that the Dems already appear to be pursuing - probably in partnership with the press:

“We're in a bad situation, the Democratic Party,” he said. “Hillary Clinton's loss has exposed the lack of Democratic power in this country at all levels. … But we won the popular vote; we ought to act like it. And so I think the strategy is — it's pretty simple. The strategy is to keep Trump unpopular and let me tell you why we need to keep him unpopular.

In other words, let's conjure up a whole lot more fake news!

finnbow 12-14-2016 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 341941)
If the facts presented are in dispute - such as the assertion that the hacks were "directed by the Kremlin", then of course you can argue with the facts. When something is published as a fact by a publication as august as the New York Times...ahem... but is not substantiated, then it is fake news.

The intelligence community is not disputing that this was directed by the Kremlin. In fact, they said exactly that in a formal release on October 7. What's fake is John Bolton's (under consideration for Trump's Deputy SoS, BTW) assertion that this was a false flag operation, possibly orchestrated by the Obama administration. You seem perfectly content to have Bolton and Michael Flynn spewing demonstrably ridiculous and false shit like this while complaining that the NYTimes correctly reported the nature of the CIA's intelligence assessment.:confused: You're really ought to just give up on your silly misdirection and projection when it comes to fake news. You obviously have no idea what it is and you sound more unhinged and idiotic (i.e., like Tom Joad) with every post.

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Do we really need to rehash this? They weren't just running against Trump, they were running against one of their own - Bernie Sanders. They knew they weren't supposed to pick sides, but they did. Karma's a bitch.
Bernie was never one of their own. He was a registered Independent. Regardless, your apparent position that the DNC's actions vis-a-vis Bernie somehow justify Russia's actions is as ridiculous as it is traitorous.

nailer 12-14-2016 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 341946)
... Bernie was never one of their own. He was a registered Independent. Regardless, your apparent position that the DNC's actions vis-a-vis Bernie somehow justify Russia's actions is as ridiculous as it is traitorous.

How is it traitorous?


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