Be Wary Of The Democratic Wing Of The Protest Movement
 

This is a good article that explains the two party duopoly that we have today.

https://popularresistance.org/be-war...test-movement/

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You sure read a lot of garbage.

As do you. IIRC you read the NYT and The Economist so you're getting some quality nourishment. For all intents and purposes what TJ quoted is essentially accurate/true.

Progressive change in America is only brought about through institutions when the middle class is threatened. Now the people who voted for Trump may have fallen out of the middle class or feel like they might soon. But Trump is not the one who will bring about the change they want. Only an establishment can. It would be a miracle if Trump realizes this.

Bullshit "Muslim bans" and rounding up undocumented immigrants isn't going to make anyone's life better in the rust belt.

I mean where the hell is Bannon's nationalistic infrastructure deal that is supposed to bring about millions of jobs for the disaffected? (in Bannon's mind white people is what he is thinking about most likely).

Only political machine guys like FDR, Truman, Ike , LBJ and Nixon get stuff done like that.

I'm pretty sure President Trump is fully aware of the dynamic that he took full advantage of to literally become The Guy. Trump's base, was Bush's base, was Reagan's base and that base has been shrinking since Reagan.

Not seeing Truman or Ike as progressive. The other three definitely.

That was a centerpiece of Trump's campaign. When did you decide to make it "Bannon's"?

And as to where the Hell is it?

Trump has only been in office a little over a month.

How long was it before Obama got his infrastructure bill passed?

Trump expanded that base.

And if he comes through on trade, infrastructure, prescription drug prices, and keeping us out of regime change adventures, he will expand it by at least one more that I know of. :)

Truman desegregated the armed forces.

Ike got the freeways done and did work with LBJ on some early Civil Rights bills in the late 50s that pointed the way to the towards what came later.

Trump is not self-aware. I mean if you lie to a bunch a reporters about facts a 5th grader can Google in 30 seconds and prove you are wrong you are sort of beyond help. And he probably really believed Obama was born in Kenya.

LBJ got Medicare and Civil rights passes.

That was the end of any meaningful progressive legislation.

Bannon is pulling the strings. What you don't get is that all the controversy around Bannon's policies are making Trump unable to get a legislative agenda through. The alt-right slop to the base is destroying Trump's effectiveness. Idiotic tweets are not helping either.

He can't pass anything without Schumer, and some of the GOP are nervous with what is going on right now. You forget that some GOP Senators are from moderate states with diverse populations, and others like McCain and Graham are not impressed with the Russian ties.

Not by me it was. The demise of DOMA and marriage equality under the previous POTUS were landmark Progressive civil rights advances.

I'd venture to say that the executive order creating the EPA signed by Dick Nixon was progressive. Sadly under Orange Julius and Pruitt this agency is under attack. :(

The whole country is under attack by Bannon and Co.

You honestly think Trump would let anyone pull his strings?

LMAO.:D

No real change ever comes from the establishment.

As for the middle class, they are the ruling classes insurance policy against them being put to the Guillotine. The ruling class knows that most people will accept the status quo if they are allowed a few crumbs from their table.

Take yourself. You would never revolt against the status quo as long as you have your navy pension, tricare, and a cushy government job. You've been paid off. That's why you are a supporter of the same shit, different day corporate Democrats.

Take those away and you would become a so************************t overnight.

Right TJ. You are a real rebel sucking on LBJ's Medicare, FDR's Social Security and Obama's ACA, and whatever glitch you are suffering from probably a result of choices you made. Oh yeah and your Florida state retirement.

If you read between the lines of your posts you are just pissed off that you have to pay for some parts of your care. A real progressive would shut up and pay their bill and be happy that others who can't got the Medicaid expansion.

Like I said call your Congressman if the family glitch is hurting you or get a part time job for the money you need.

Yeah I do have it easier. Perhaps I made better choices than you.

I don't know Dude.

I have it pretty easy these days. :D

I do have a few regrets though.

They mostly involve chicks. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWLG7OQCuFo

Too true and the civil rights movement comes immediately to mind. It was citizens leading the way and doing most of the work.

The army was one of the first establishment organizations to support, albeit subtly, the cause.

You honestly think a person of Trump's temperament isn't Easy Meat for a manipulative confidant who knows how to stroke his ever-needy ego?

I readily admit with pride that I am on the government gravy train.

You on the other hand get all feisty and defensive when I point out the fact that you are on it too.

What's the prob Ice?

You feel guilty?:)

Fifty-percent true. It still took an establishment President to sign an executive order or piece of progressive legislation to ratify grassroots change. All of our greatest legislation has been signed by professional political hacks.

Trump is indeed an exception. He has to make the leap to the assembly line.
He embraces the establishment or becomes neutered.

The only difference now is that he may keep his position because Americans might not care if nothing gets done.

Absolutely.

Bannon may be a pit bull, but Trump is the Ultimate Alpha Dog.

All aboard! :D

Nope. Just plays one on TV. You just buy it because he presses your buttons.

Maybe so.

But that's my assessment and I'm sticking to it. :)

I don't accept your grade and will discuss it with the professor. Like an establishment guy you're claiming credit where none is due. You described how the system works - the squeakiest wheel gets the most grease. And because the cause was just, the establishment acknowledged it, the wheel just got squeakier and squeakier as more and more citizens actively, tacitly or silently joined the movement.

I have to go out. Since I don't have to wait for Uber I don't have any time to waste on you.

No.
You are just temporary.

Thanks for upping my grade to a B. :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqeSUAlI5uI

Just be sure and keep to the enlisted cars.

I see.

So the plot to ban me is well advanced.

Guess I better hurry up and get my licks in while I still can. :)

Most of them drive BMWs.

They'll just give you enough rope and you'll do it yourself.

Ever see the old Twilight Zone episode, 'An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge?'

Is that the one where the Rebel saboteur is being hung from a bridge, the rope breaks, he escapes to his plantation and is running into his wife's arms when the real rope stretches his neck?

That be the one. But if anyone hadn't seen it, you just spoiled it....

... actually, your confirmation is the spoiler.

I promise not to tell them about Time Enough at Last.

Funny--lots of people seem to like that one, but I can't see it.

What's funny about that?

I liked it with no seems to about it. Opening your eyes might help.

Anyone find my reading glasses?