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HarmanKardon 11-04-2015 10:10 AM

The original Trabant were 2 stroke stinker...

Pio1980 11-04-2015 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by HarmanKardon (Post 291954)
The original Trabant were 2 stroke stinker...

So were DKW and SAAB. Dunno how bad the Trabi motors were, you'd think the same country that produced the Praktika and Exakta cameras, and Zeiss Jena lenses could manage a precision zweitakt engine, but of course they did previously and very well indeed.

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Boreas 11-04-2015 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 291961)
So were DKW and SAAB. Dunno how bad the Trabi motors were, you'd think the same country that produced the Praktika and Exakta cameras, and Zeiss Jena lenses could manage a precision zweitakt engine, but of course they did previously and very well indeed.

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And the SAABs were 3-cylinder engines. Pretty unusual though not, I think, unique.

What about the DAF? They were air-cooled 2-cylinders with a weird belt-driven infinitely variable transmission but I don't remember whether they were 2 or 4 stroke.

Pio1980 11-04-2015 10:56 AM

Simple 2-stroke motors were common in motorcycles, motorscooters, and smaller cars for decades before air pollution legislation made most of them impermissible. These crankcase-aspirated type were simpler than 4 strokers without the valve gear and recirculating oil pumps, therefore cheaper to make, but burned the lube along with the fuel, leaving carbon deposits in the motor and smokey noxious effluent in their wake.
A modern closed crankcase forced induction 2 stroke with charging pump and valving can run cleanly with recirculated lube, but are employed for efficiency rather than simplicity and usually of diesel type. The largest engines as used in Freighters and tanker ships are of this type as are many smaller stationary engines.

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HarmanKardon 11-04-2015 11:34 AM

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DAF "Variomatic" (with 4 stroke 2 cylinder).

Pio1980 11-04-2015 12:02 PM

Citroen's small people's car was a well engineered opposed twin 4 stroke on a revolutionary frame and suspension concept. Much more there than one might think.

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Boreas 11-04-2015 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by HarmanKardon (Post 291989)
DAF "Variomatic" (with 4 stroke 2 cylinder).

Four stroke then. Thanks. Chris!

Boreas 11-04-2015 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 291997)
Citroen's small people's car was a well engineered opposed twin 4 stroke on a revolutionary frame and suspension concept. Much more there than one might think.

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Le Deux Cheveaux, a.k.a. the 2CV, for 2 (taxable) horsepower.

HarmanKardon 11-04-2015 12:19 PM

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Citroen's small people's car was a well engineered opposed twin 4 stroke on a revolutionary frame and suspension concept. Much more there than one might think.

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This one.

HarmanKardon 11-04-2015 12:27 PM

So Volkswagen has withdrawn the asshole SUV Porsche Cayenne from the American market. Nice.


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