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Samm 02-25-2014 12:15 PM

Democracy Murdered By Protest
 
"Paul Craig Roberts

Who’s in charge? Certainly not the bought-and-paid-for-moderates that Washington and the EU hoped to install as the new government of Ukraine. The agreement that the Washington and EU supported opposition concluded with President Yanukovich to end the crisis did not last an hour. Even the former boxing champion, Vitaly Klitschko, who was riding high as an opposition leader until a few hours ago has been booed by the rioters and shoved aside. The newly appointed president by what is perhaps an irrelevant parliament, Oleksandr Turchynov, has no support base among those who overthrew the government. As the BBC reports, “like all of the mainstream opposition politicians, Mr. Turchynov is not entirely trusted or respected by the protesters in Kiev’s Independence Square.”

In western Ukraine the only organized and armed force is the ultra-nationalist Right Sector. From the way this group’s leaders speak, they assume that they are in charge. One of the group’s leaders, Aleksandr Muzychko, has pledged to fight against “Jews and Russians until I die.” Asserting the Right Sector’s authority over the situation, Muzychko declared that now that the democratically elected government has been overthrown, “there will be order and discipline” or “Right Sector squads will shoot the bastards on the spot.”

The bastards are any protesters who dare to protest the Right Sector’s control.

Muzychko declared, “The next president of Ukraine will be from Right Sector.”

Another Right Sector leader, Dmitry Yarosh, declared: “the Right Sector will not lay down its arms.” He declared the deal made between the opposition and the President to be “unacceptable” and demanded the liquidation of President Yanukovich’s political party.

The Right Sector’s roots go back to the Ukrainians who fought for Adolf Hitler against the Soviet Union during World War 2. It was the Right Sector that introduced armed fighters and turned the tide of the protests in Kiev from peaceful protests in favor of joining the EU to violent attacks on police with the view of overthrowing the democratically elected government, which the Right Sector succeeded in doing.

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http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014...igue-violence/

About Dr. Paul Craig Roberts

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following.

bobabode 02-25-2014 12:50 PM

Wiki on Mr. Roberts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts

"Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist and a columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration and was noted as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service."

He sounds a bit controversial. :rolleyes:

"In 1992 Roberts received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism from the free-market American Legislative Exchange Council. In 1993 the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United States." Wiki

More from Wikipedia

"I will begin by stating what we know to be a solid incontrovertible scientific fact. We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false... Since the damning incontrovertible fact has not been investigated, speculation and “conspiracy theories” have filled the void.[18]
In November 2012 Roberts referred toal Qaeda's role in the attack as "unsubstantiated."

Dondilion 02-25-2014 01:02 PM

The Right Sector controls the street and has pushed the moderates aside.

Their agenda is anti-Semitic, extreme racism and of course anti Russian.

The Russians have made it known that there will not be a repeat of what took place
the last time. Special emphasis on the Crimea.

merrylander 02-25-2014 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 196405)
Wiki on Mr. Roberts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts

"Paul Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939) is an American economist and a columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration and was noted as a co-founder of Reaganomics.[1] He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service."

He sounds a bit controversial. :rolleyes:

"In 1992 Roberts received the Warren Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism from the free-market American Legislative Exchange Council. In 1993 the Forbes Media Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United States." Wiki

More from Wikipedia

"I will begin by stating what we know to be a solid incontrovertible scientific fact. We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to “pancake” at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false... Since the damning incontrovertible fact has not been investigated, speculation and “conspiracy theories” have filled the void.[18]
In November 2012 Roberts referred toal Qaeda's role in the attack as "unsubstantiated."

If he has anything to do with ALEC then run for the nearest exit.

bobabode 02-25-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 196419)
If he has anything to do with ALEC then run for the nearest exit.

He was also the co founder of Reaganomics. Isn't that the warm gentle yellow rain drifting down from Wall St.?

Samm 02-25-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 196419)
If he has anything to do with ALEC then run for the nearest exit.

He has no affiliation with either the Democratic or Republican party and recognizes that they are both the same. Neither is willing to give up their world wide hegemony quest through every conceivable tool that can be imagined. Obama is just Bush on steroids.

Samm 02-25-2014 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 196421)
He was also the co founder of Reaganomics. Isn't that the warm gentle yellow rain drifting down from Wall St.?

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/S...Economics.html
"The term “supply-side economics” is used in two different but related ways. Some use the term to refer to the fact that production (supply) underlies consumption and living standards. In the long run, our income levels reflect our ability to produce goods and services that people value. Higher income levels and living standards cannot be achieved without expansion in output. Virtually all economists accept this proposition and therefore are “supply siders.”
No Roberts contribution was the supply-side economics theories used by the bipartisan congress to implement programs that believed in reduction of "marginal income" taxing.
In other words he believed that if people worked over time to get ahead it should not be discouraged with inflated taxation.

bobabode 02-25-2014 01:55 PM

So you're a flat tax rate advocate?

merrylander 02-25-2014 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm (Post 196424)
No Roberts contribution was the supply-side economics theories used by the bipartisan congress to implement programs that believed in reduction of "marginal income" taxing.
In other words he believed that if people worked over time to get ahead it should not be discouraged with inflated taxation.

Ah so, then they believe the best way to avoid workers being over taxed is to not pay them very well in the first place?:p

Samm 02-25-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 196426)
So you're a flat tax rate advocate?

Im torn between flat tax and cash-flow tax. The flat would even things out and turn the tax code into a pamphlet sized code but the consumption tax would be better for the environment by hitting the wasters where it hurts but would also stagnate the economy through people saving more than they normally would with the flat tax scenario. Flat tax on earnings would probably be better in the long run since it wouldn't encourage people not to spend.


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